Alexander (Sandy) Bryson has been mentioned in reports concerning another controversial matter in SFA history. He was Head of Registrations when Celtic tried to register Jorge Cadete in 1996. That case led to SFA chief executive, Jim Farry, being dismissed for gross misconduct after he failed to register the player in time for him to face Rangers in a Scottish Cup tie.
The Burness report into what happened noted that Farry “deflected responsibility to Mr (Sandy] Bryson (head of registrations] …. (on] certain executive decisions”. In a contemporary article, Mirror Group Newspapers noted “it is unclear what part registration chief Sandy Bryson may have played in this debacle”.
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Marti Sandino
16:53 on
28 February, 2013
Could the evidence by Bryson, and LNS’s acceptance of it, open the way for Spartans and other such teams in the same position, to bring the SFA/to court to seek damages ?
Marti
If only some mystery benefactor could pay for Spartans legal bill to take the SFA to court
An Irish billionaire…………………..
Bryce @ 16:03
I think you are slightly over-complicating the reasoning. As I read it, the players were eligible therefore no sporting advantage was gained by the rules breach. If the players had been deemed ineligible as a result of the rules breach then a sporting advantage would have been gained by use of ineligible players.
The question of eligibility is what drives the sporting advantage argument IMO.
Paul67etal.
I’m very disillusioned with the judgement that came out today.
To fine a club that is defunct £250.000,which the can’t, and won’t pay, no stripped titles, in fact nothing has happened with todays judgement other than saying that the defunct club cheated their way into oblivion.
But a seed was planted, and from that seed sprouted another club, Rangers mark 2,a team who appeared from no where, to inherit Ibrox Stadium, Murray Park, and the Car Park, worth an estimated £80.000.000,for the princely sum off £4.000.000,is unbelievable.
I’m in a quandary.
Do I carry on supporting my team, knowing that we are governed by a cabal that allows cheats to flourish in this game, what’s to say that when Mark2 Rangers qualifies for the Premier League, they don’t carry on with their cheating, we would only have the word of a known bunch of cheats, that the game is safe in their hands.
I pay £1000 a season for my seat, and at this moment in time I feel it’s going to be a waste of money. I really am in two minds whether to make this my last year that I will be a paying supporter of my club.
It’s a shame that Celtic, and most of the other clubs in the League, who,play by the rules set out, are the teams who are cheated and will suffer, eventually.
Marti – theoretically I would say yes. have always felt surprised that Spartans accepted Sevco getting the place in SFL3 they were reasonably expecting.
Its no surprise that the Cadette SFA official is still around and still machinating for the deceased football club.
But all of this is a sideshow – the gig is up.
AT
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-player-payments-not-cheating/4234#more-4234
Jim Spence@bbcjimspence
Join me on Sportsound tonight with Graham Spiers, Billy Dodds and Michael Grant. 810 MW 6.10pm
Is this a loaded panel ………….. LOL
Where are you Celtic – do you have any courage to speak out?
Very, very disappointed.
Don’t have an axe to grind with LNS & Co his decision based on the evidence presented is probably the only one he could reach.
If it was a totally amateur sport with no player payments or incentives, I could probably get on board with it being eligible players being incorrectly registered, and that it would be inappropriate to impact the outcome of sporting competition based on administrative “mistakes”. But that’s not what we’ve got here we got players that could only be afforded by DeadCo because of this administrative “oversight”. If they’d played to the rules everyone else was using they might have struggled to finish 2nd.
And it’s more than just the results for those 11 seasons; they drove up transfer fees and wages across Scotland and made it impossible for many clubs to retain some of their best players. How much would we have paid for Scott Brown if DeadCo hadn’t been artificially inflating the market with money they didn’t have?
Fingers crossed that Sevco will be belly up by Christmas.
What are the other teams supporters saying.I’ve seen the Aberdeen link any others??
I’m afraid I’m very unhappy and now want my pound of flesh in the form of anyone complicit in their cheating.
Campbell Ogilvie and the other funny handshakers have to go.
Celtic and the other clubs who lot out on trophies and financial rewards need to do something about this.
Not a fan of boycotts at all, and Tannadice showed that they really don’t have much impact if even a small number of fans turn up.
Would there be an appetite for a boycott at all grounds throughout the country with the one obvious exception. It would hit some clubs hard in the pocket but sporting integrity and all that…Fans of other clubs apparently as disgusted as we are.
The SFA is still the Rangers protection racket it has always been. Plus la change.
Kenneth Williams’ final words in his diary…….
“Oh what’s the bloody point?”
He seems to have caught my mood.
RaRaRasputin – think you’re probably right. I based my interpretation on LNS’s comment that there was nothing irregular about the payments beyond their non-disclosure, so could mean either or even both I suppose.
Concerned that Celtic haven’t said anything…
Paul67 please tell me they are not going to let this lie?
I have just taken an hour from my mundane temporal feelings of discontent over an unjust decision to watch the final departure of Pope Benedict from the Vatican and the glare of world attention.
In some ways it was a quiet, dignified, emotional exit with the background of the Vatican and helicopter views of some of Rome’s ancient sights as his ride to Castel Gandolfo and a life of solitude and prayer was documented.
Here is a mortal, fragile, intellectual giant full of humility who has carried the burden of leadership through a difficult period. Throughout his Papacy he constantly preached a doctrine of love and understanding and called for religious tolerance throughout the world and not just for Catholics or Christians.
Regardless of your religion, or lack of it, there is no denying the holiness of Pope Benedict or of the courage it took for him to hand the Keys of Peter over to a younger, healthier and more robust successor.
Viva il Papa
only discovered the lns verdict less than an hour ago
been reading other cqn posters since
stunned, shocked and dumbfounded
this verdict was concocted to save rangers
no titles lost, fine to oldco
its a farce
sfa, spl are corrupt and all the tribunals are a whitewash
time for celtic to leave scottish soccer for good and compete in a new league
maybe time for celtic as a club to leave scotland altogether and maybe set up in dublin
and get involved in the upcoming atlantic league
every idea has to be examined now
because celtic cannot stay in the spl long term after todays obviously totally manufactured verdict
The non disclosure will take on a whole new aspect when HMRC win the tax case.
Because it will then be clear that the huns DID secure an advantage by failing to disclose the payments.
And Lord Nimmo Smith and his sidekicks know that perfectly well.
So the now defunct rangers ‘f’ c pass off with one final confirmation that they cheated and a rather significant but pointless £250,000 fine? Its like Woolworths getting fined today for wrongful advertising.
Aye I can live with that, like many things before it they find a way to squirm out of it while claiming some sort of victory, I dont understand them and the day I start to understand them I will fear for my mentality.
Today Ive seen a good mate who supported rfc claim
‘today clears the great name of rfc’
£250,000 fines usually clear your name, furcrissakes, if you understand that kind of thinking you are in trouble.
In the whole rfc issue we are up against people who will argue black is white and want to steam roller their history and their nonsensical facts. rfc fans forcing opinion and mad ideas on folk? Whatever next?
The new rangers is just an extension of the old ones and their new fangled twisted thinking their new way of hate filled entertainment.
Ive never looked at a rfc history book or the paragraph on the current ‘rangers’ history, have no wish to, I dont listen to people who talk about rfc history but I know what titles and cups they didnt win. Im happy with my recollection on the defunct rfc.
See in the film Michael Collins he says something that stuck with me, a thing similar to above in that ‘Ireland will always be free in my mind, forget what you are seeing’ pre freedom, was this a film quote or a genuine quote? Cant find it on YouTube and not too into Irish history.
Bryce – It is just the rank and clear unfairness of it all that gets on my goat. Little clubs like Spartans and that youth team from Edinburgh are clattered with the rulebook if they make the slightest mistake in admin. Even look at the Celtic women’s team this year in the Cup semi v Aberdeen.Rangers have been allowed to ride a horse and coaches through the rules for a number of years with no sanction it appears, whereby everybody else gets clattered for the least infringement.
Marti
Apologies if already posted
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-player-payments-not-cheating/4234
The lack of sporting advantage argument is nonsense actually. I have been defending the logic of it up to a point but the penny has now dropped.
The non-disclosure of EBTs was motivated by a wish to avoid the possibility of alerting HMRC. Had HMRC been aware then Rangers would have been unable to attract players of the quality they did. They therefore did obtain a sporting advantage.
Let them celebrate a dead club keeping their tainted 53 1/2 tainted titles.
Wont take long to over take them, infact a ten in a row then beating that should be our aim and is very do-able.
This has to be our domestic aim.
SPL Statement – Independent Commission
The SPL Board appointed the Independent Commission to consider all aspects of the above matter and at no point provided any direction to the Commission on any aspect of the case.
The SPL Board notes that the Commission has upheld a number of complaints against Rangers OldCo and that Rangers OldCo has been found to have breached SPL and Scottish FA Rules over an 11-year period in relation to the non-disclosure of financial arrangements involving many of its Players.
The SPL Board are assured by the integrity of the process followed and thank The Rt Hon Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues, Nicholas Stewart QC and Charles Flint QC, for their time and effort.
The Board wishes to give the detail of the decision further consideration at its next meeting.
HH
genuinely gutted today, for the country I live in (Scotland) & the values I hold and impart on my family.
Industrial scale cheating in not punishable in this country. Sandy Bryson …mmm at the risk of stereotyping and apologies to any Hoops called Sandy, well Sandy sounds like he might support Sevco.. He’s shown his hand before..
Administrative oversights for 11 years and we ve to buy this guff and punishment.. ?
Fair play cycling,athletics etc they DO title stripping and watch the fiscal penalties Armstrong will get!
Let anyone not pay taxes,rates,parking fines etc and just say for 11 years- it was an oversight.
LNS says that’s not really that bad…
And let’s see what happens to non payers! I’m sure LNS will be kind to those appearing before him from here on in…
Perhaps people involved in case were worried ” things ” might be said or implied!
Who knows?
All I know is this. That for nigh on 50 yrs I ve followed Celtic and have never wavered in wanting to turn up to support..
However today, I m not so sure. I love Celtic and all our glorious history, but why should we accept blindly such blatant cheating and be expected to roll up like sheep to an SPL,SFA racket..?
My energy is diminished and we are ALL being made fools of. People can spin it positively every which way, I do myself. Oldco are dead- fact, Sevco are a corruptly placed organisation ..
But I find it hard to reconcile the facts with what is now expected of me, all of us , and the rest of Scottish football..turn up weekly for a circus !
It s a con,before our eyes. Minty is tonight no doubt, roaring with laughter. Friends in high places, law,politics,media,”sporting”regulators has never been shown to be more beneficial than today…
Today is a dark,dark day. Not just for football but for society in general..
Integrity, morality, lawfulness has never before been shown to be unnecessary, as long as your face fits and you kick with the right foot! No pun intended..
This is a sad day. I would hope those men and women in charge of ALL other clubs in Scotland can recognise that. They will next year when disillusioned supporters fail to show up.
HH
Be honest with ourselves here – did anyone, anyone , honestly believe that titles would have been stripped?
Hmm…
And another thing – for all the “good news for Rangers” stuff bouncing about today would anyone, anyone honestly swap places with Rangers ? Thought not.
Lets get some perspective on this.
timjim
16:53 on
28 February, 2013
Thanks.
Celtic will say nothing.
I have to be honest, I think it’s quite cowardly. We should be calling these cheats to account. Instead we seem to be happy to let this rank injustice go without comment.
Grant Russell @STVGrant
Livingston have sacked manager Gareth Evans, leading to director of football John Collins resigning from the club
Have to say the EBT/side letters issue for me has been a non-issue, far more important was how Murray single-handedly took Rangers to the brink of liquidation 23 years after him buying the club when they were the most profitable football team in Britain and one of the most profitable in Europe.
For me, walking out of Hubbards when Motherwell equalised only to hear dozens of cheers across the road when the second went in will always be real, the idea that that game was actually irrelevant and we’d won the league months ago just doesn’t sit with me, otherwise the whole game is a bogey.
You live for the ups and the downs as a fan, irrespective of what happens off the pitch, on it must always be “for real” as jolly bhoy john would say.
I completely respect those who feel they have to walk away from Scottish football due to the dishonesty and lack of sporting integrity.
I will not be walking away from my club. Today’s decision is only one of many that favours Rangers. It is neither the first nor will it be the last.
We often talk of the Celtic Family and in difficult times the family stick together. We have faced similar injustices over the years in football and more wisely in society. We were not given access to equality of opportunity and education less than fifty years ago.
We remained unshakeable when our club was teetering on the brink much to the amusement of the MSM and others. We have glimpsed the corruption of the SFA under the leadership of Farry. Here again it is displayed in all its ugly nudity, as Campbell Ogilivie steers Rangers through this time.
The SFA is once again shown to be “not fit for purpose”. They turned a blind eye to the side letters and Rangers knew they would not be questioned about them. No doubt they will want to change their rules to close this loophole. They themselves should disappear into the same loophole. I do not hold my breath for that.
SFA/SPL/SFL restructure will be like changing deck chairs on the Titanic. The same people who have been a travesty for Scottish football will return in different blazers.
They would like to see the Celtic family implode in moral outrage and withdraw their support. This will not happen. We have a set of moral values that they do not have. We must continue to put our moral compass in their faces.
Hail Hail
obonfanti1888 17:24 on 28 February, 2013
Surely the SPL has to make a statement before any of its members?
To think that but for the fans they would still be in the SPL.
the long wait is over
17:22 on 28 February, 2013
Agree, no surprise, let’s move on.
Absolutely dreading the day we have to play that lot again, dreading it, not because I think we will get beat, far from it, but we will be legitimising their position within Scottish football, by simply carrying on as if nothing has happened, and the triumphalism that they will put on display, OMG, nauseating doesn’t come close.
Steinreignedsupreme
17:25 on
28 February, 2013
It has, and typically its one of those statements that says nothing at all.
The SP: Board seem underwhelmed by the decision!
SPL Statement – Independent Commission
The SPL Board appointed the Independent Commission to consider all aspects of the above matter and at no point provided any direction to the Commission on any aspect of the case.
The SPL Board notes that the Commission has upheld a number of complaints against Rangers OldCo and that Rangers OldCo has been found to have breached SPL and Scottish FA Rules over an 11-year period in relation to the non-disclosure of financial arrangements involving many of its Players.
The SPL Board are assured by the integrity of the process followed and thank The Rt Hon Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues, Nicholas Stewart QC and Charles Flint QC, for their time and effort.
The Board wishes to give the detail of the decision further consideration at its next meeting