You wouldn’t announce an event, encourage others to sell tickets, without booking the venue. You just wouldn’t do it. These things have an order: book the venue, then announce the event. It’s a matter of courtesy to all involved, not to mention being an operational necessity.
Why then, do we have the unedifying scenario of Hamilton Accies releasing a statement to say New Douglas Park is unavailable for the date the SFA advertised a Scottish Cup game between East Kilbride and Celtic would take place? It’s just remotely possible that Accies have reneged on an earlier commitment given to the SFA, but the tone of their statement suggests otherwise.
This is for a game which is scheduled to take place one week on Sunday. Fans have to acquire and distribute tickets, travel arrangements have to be made, police and stewarding have to be booked (by East Kilbride, who are the home team, remember).
This should be a great day for the young club but it’s shrouded in considerable commercial uncertainty: how much will policing, stewarding and stadium rental cost? Who at East Kilbride will guarantees these bills and how? The police and host club may take a lax view on credit, but the stewarding provider won’t. What revenue can be expected? None of these issues can be known until a venue is found.
I’m not going to support Pat Nevin’s views, which offended Dundee manager, Paul Hartley on Sportscene at the weekend. I didn’t hear his comments, so cannot conclude if he was talking “absolute garbage”, or if Nevin had verged into the kind of territory which saw him issue an apology under threat of legal action last month. But I’m not convinced the scope of Hartley’s comments are appropriate.
Dundee lose goals. Lots of them. Their only clean sheet since 12 September came against Hamilton Accies last month. The objective facts suggest their defensive strategy is an appropriate subject for criticism. This season they lost 6 in one game against Celtic and 8 over two matches against Ross County.
Analysis and criticism is the domain of pundits and fans, even those, who Paul Hartley notes, have “never coached or managed a team”. Attacking the pundit (or the programme) is easier than explaining a (subjectively) poor defensive record, or keeping clean sheets, apparently.
Paul said “It’s not what it used to be like, away back in the 1980s when you wanted to sit up and watch Sportscene on a Saturday night”. Back then Archie Macpherson fronted the show. Archie told me about a similar run-in he had with Alex Ferguson, who angrily disagreed with the commentator’s view of a defensive infraction.
Archie’s view on his opinion being irrelevant due to his lack of coaching experience was memorable, “I’ve never laid an egg, but I know when I taste a bad one”.
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Jungle Jim Hot Smoked
Airdrie’s Green and White…hmmm…interesting…
I was there once Airdrie 1982 I guess, never went back:))
Just e-mailed the evening times to ask for their acknowledgement of these fixtures .
ICT 1-2 Celtic 2007 Scottish Cup
ITC 1-2 Celtic 2011 Scottish Cup
Celtic 6-0 ICT 2011 League Cup
ICT 0-2 Celtic 2012 Scottish Cup
Ross Co 0-2 Celtic 2004 Scottish Cup .
I await a reply .
HH
Chairbhoy 8:11
Wasn’t it – ahem- “odd” that Club 12 were always at home when we were away and vice versa?
You would almost think they knew who they wanted Club 12 to be!
Bhoys you can tap away on your keyboards until your wee fingers start bleeding.You can state all the rules you want nothing absolutely nothing will happen to Sevco. No one in authority will ever admit they’re a new club. No titles will ever be stripped, Scottish football fans won’t turn there back on the game. Not in vast numbers anyway.
Although John Clark maybe had good intentions in arranging a meeting with the SFA, did he not for one minute believe that they would honestly answer his questions? In addition, by placing the unauthorized transcript of the interview with SFA’s Head of Communications Mr. Darryl Broadfoot and the President of the SFA on the SFM’s website – he may have shot himself in the foot and put back internet bampots efforts on the whole Sevco/SFA/SFPL debate.
The intention of the interview was to expose the lies of the SFA (much of which we know already). What it does is inadvertently provide evidence for the Sevco Revisionists to affirm their case and identity.
The fact that the transcript of the interview was not peer reviewed and authorized by Broadfoot or McRae is almost amateurish and by not acknowledging the interview, John Clark has more or less done Broadfoot’s job of Communications for free.
The SFM should either have placed this article on their website.
Even better, he should have played the SFA at their own game and produced an edited and unbiased version of the interview. After all, the SFA deny all knowledge of the interview.
Awe Naw 9:10
That’s actually really interesting.
You would have to wonder if they were being “guided” by anyone through that procedure……?
BRTH,
The post I made above was from a comment on his blog not from him. I think I am smart enough to know when John James is speculating and when he is not. I do not believe him to be a Sevco fan or a former Rangers fan. What is interesting though is that he is still in the game while Paul67, PMG, TRTC guy, TSFM (lets collectively call them our guys) have all went extremely quiet on the subject and on the retreat.. MMMMmhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,… although I bet they all knew where Tony Stokes was going first ;-)
That for me is interesting but could be coincidental.
What is his incentive ?
Why are so many readable CQNers warning us off the guy ? has he had any articles pulled recently like PMG ?
He is a must read for me especially with so many CQN health warnings :-)
HH
SFTB @ 9:00 AM,
I’ve put my contention forward over the same Club claim many times and have been criticised for it at least as many times for at least as many reasons. But the fact is I was correct in my assertion that the SFA same Club claim came from the transfer of the SFA Licence and that the SFA Board had used Article 13 to do this.
I got confirmation straight from the horses mouth, if for his part, Stewart Regan, as CEO is the SFA:)
See do you really believe the SFA believed that an incorporated Club has two entities, the Club and The Company? Because I didn’t.
Do you believe the SFA believed that when an incorporated Company is liquidated, that they can carry on trading as another continuous entity? Because I didn’t.
So that’s when I went looking for their hook to base the ludicrous notion of the same Club…
This notion centres round one fact, that the SFA believe that Sevco Rangers are a member of the SFA by virtue of the “fact” they hold Rangers 1872 SFA Licence, ergo the same Club.
Yet you were quite specific with some of your queries, so my tuppence worth…
“…….. As a citizen, we are all allowed to comment on aspects of public finance (HMRC were the biggest debtor). If the duty of an administrator is to get the best deal for those owed, then this is a dubious, potentially corrupt, decision they have taken in agreeing to the 5 way scam?
Yes it is D&P I was referring to, the reason I did not want to comment on the rights and wrongs of the name transfer was I have no expertise in this (although at the time I thought it was wrong) and it was a can if worms that had little relevance to my point and as you have highlighted the benefits that this could have harvested, it maybe relevant to a current trial.
I’m from Airdrie, my grandfather and many folk I know were/are Airdrie supporters. It stuck in my craw that SDM could in effect end Airdire, yet Rangers expect special treatment.
“3) The SFA license seems to me the least important aspect of this. After all, they never offered this way out to Third Lanark, Airdrieonians or Gretna and no rule changes had been made by the SFA so that they could suddenly dream up this solution for Rangers.
If you place their ability, if they have it, to grant the same license to a club in the circumstances Rangers faced in 2012, i.e. heading towards administration, in the forefront of your thoughts then the argument becomes – “It does not matter what Company Law rules were broken, that is irrelevant, a Sports Administrative Body can chose to ignore this and continue to see Rangers 2012-16 as the same club if they wish to do so. And that the SFA has had that right to do this, even though they have never exercised it once before in their previous 130 odd year history.
I’ve not got access to my documentation at the moment to make a detailed answer but a few points.
My contention is that the SFA made a special case with Rangers, no other Club has nor would have been offered the continuation scenario.
What the SFA did was use a clause in Article 13 of the Association hand book. That Article is headed (paraphrasing) The prohibition of the transfer of a licence. Yet it has a clause in it, it gives complete discretion to the SFA Board when it comes to requests for transferring a Licence.
A very odd clause and the way they used it for Rangers was in direct contradiction of the Articles stated aims.
Now this article was written relatively recently, my understanding was it was changed after Clydebank was taken over and it’s Licence was transferred to Airdrie United. This was seen as an abuse and the Articles were changed supposedly to ensure it never happened again.
Now if you look at the English FA’s equivalent articles, there is no way they could be used or abused in such a fashion.
There are some cynics who would suggest when this Article was getting re-written the authors knew of the dire straits Rangers FC were in and that liquidation was a possibility and wrote in a get~out~of~jail~free card for Rangers. I couldn’t possibly comment:)
So in the main I do believe you haven’t got the trust of my point. Insofar as, what is the point of putting forth an argument of Company Law, if the SFA are not arguing that Rangers and Sevco are the same Company they are not.
The spurious arguments, sound as that are, are all irrelevant if they do not tackle the grounds in which the SFA contend that Sevco Rangers are a continuation of Rangers 1872 that is the Membership Licence
Glasstwothirdsfull @ 10:28 AM,
Quite, I forgot about that:)
Hail Hail
LENNON’S PASSION on 27TH JANUARY 2016 10:30 AM
Agree entirely.
But it is not football and it is not a game as within a sporting context we are talking about … only the easily deluded or those that will use that particular form of entertainment for their own agenda will continue attending.
Good luck to them in protecting and paying for the bigoted way of life in Scotland.
HH
The SFM should either have placed this article on their website. – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/cringe-worthy-sfa-pundits-and-fans-dont-lay-eggs/comment-page-9/#comment-2762321
That should have read:
The SFM should not have placed this article on their website.
Lennon’s Passion
People said similar about Sevco starting off in the SPL, but enough fans warned their clubs about the consequences of this unfairness to stop the plan in its tracks.
Turnbull Hutton helped to ensure that SFL fans made their feelings to the clubs known in a similar way, leading to Sevco starting off 3 divisions below where they, the authorities, and club chairmen wanted them to be.
Who’s to say that the SFA’s contempt for Scots law in respect of what liquidation of a club means won’t result in similar anger if an official statement can be forced from them, rather than their stance be dropped in to the odd interview every now and again.
As I said yesterday, if they thought they were on strong ground legally on the same club issue, the governing bodies would be shouting it from the rooftop.
SfTB
TBB
BRTH
I sent an article on club licensing to James Forrest last week that covers what it is and why in my opion it is basically circumvented -(to apply the conditions stringently would not only stop TRFC operating as they do (unfairly) but kill off a number of clubs.)
There has been juicier stuff to publish so I suspect it is in a queue but one item it points out is that in the finance category TRFC only hold an “Entry” level licence and require one to at least the Silver standard (as TBB mentioned).
However Hearts were in the same position when they got promoted and still hold an Entry level in that category but suspect that might change in the current round.
The harsh reality of Scottish football is that it is a slave to the idea that it depends on there being a TRFC to provide competition and the whip is held by Sky and our media or whoever is prepared to spend money broadcasting what is tribal warfare under a loose set of rules that ensure no one dies in the on field combat.
Club licensing is the power the SFA do have to ensure financial fair play but they simply refuse to apply conditions or sanctions because to do so would prevent TRFC sitting where the now are in The Championship.
EXPAT_CELT on 27TH JANUARY 2016 10:35 AM
Sorry, i don’t get what you’re saying. Slow at times, I know.
angelgabriel on 26th January 2016 6:37 pm
Traditionalist.
I admire the tolerance you display towards the governance of Scottish football.
Paying toward a game that was fundamentally rigged for over a decade obviously doesn’t bother you too much .
Rather than throwing “tantrums” the fans who are contemplating “chucking it” may just want an acknowledgement that the same manipulation can never happen again.
To much to ask ?
TRFC being skint or shite is an irrelevance.
If the biggest sporting scandal in this country is washed over can you guarantee it won’t happen again ?
Celtic not using ” old firm ” terminology.
Fandabedozy.
Let’s hope the law courts make it easier to challenge the corruption.
The Huns being mince is a side issue. For many.HH
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angelgabriel
Thanks for reply.
Any tolerance I have is towards Celtic, not the governing body. The sporting scandal that was Rangers will never be brushed under the carpet. The new Rangers are crippled and if they survive long enough they will find their level which will be akin to the pre Murray era at best.
Many of us were raised with stories of how Celtic were the victims of establishment corruption and there was plenty evidence for it, which we are all aware of. We were only too aware that Celtic supporters walking away would only be a side benefit for the perpetrators. The same applies now – because Celtic will be the ones who suffer, not the governing body.
You are too dismissive of the fact Celtic have confirmed there will be no Old Firm trumpeting. Bear in mind we have seen anonymous bloggers from here and elsewhere identified and their families threatened because of comments made anonymously on blogs etc about the Rangers/Sevco situation. Celtic have to be very careful but will not herald a return of the Old Firm because they know the feeling of the support and that it is simply not the case – Rangers are a new club.
In the words of the ‘Green and White writer’, Paul Larkin, ‘We still won!’
However, there was always the possibility they would arrive in the top flight. Its somewhat futile to start taking action now, particularly action that will hurt Celtic more than anyone..because at the end of the day, we did win. The new Rangers, even if they manage to survive, cannot get players out of St Johnstone or Brentford. Hearts and Aberdeen will toy with them. The triumphalist, entitlement mindset will fade to nothing.
We did win.
HH
Morning Celts
Boydychenko better watch himself, now that he has called out the glib one.
Wouldnt it be fun if he scored against his former club soon.
BTW I agree with Lennon’s Passion@10.30.
Nothing will happen….they do what they like.
The SFA will help them to cheat, just like they helped their ancestors.
End of Story.
If nobody is prepared to hurt the cheats and amnesiacs financially…i.e, by refusing to pay to watched a rigged league.
Then basically….we deserve to be shafted
Scottish Football has never been free of cheating and corruption.
Cant see anything changing soon….sadly.
HH
WILLMACUFREE on 27TH JANUARY 2016 10:55 AM
EXPAT_CELT on 27TH JANUARY 2016 10:35 AM
Sorry, i don’t get what you’re saying. Slow at times, I know.
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John Clark should not have placed the SFA interview on the SFM. It only causes us to gnash our teeth and blame others while Sevco and the SFA continue with their lies. He ought to have spent more time doing some creative editing with the SFA’s answers (Level 5 PR-style) and produced an article that confirms the SFA’s lies.
Speaking of JJ, I thought this last line from his post of real interest.
January 26, 2016 at 9:25 pm
Whyte has 80,000 pages of admissible evidence. The prosecution have the Charlotte Fakes tapes. Their publication will be explosive, particularly if it’s revealed who purchased them to use against the former regime
BEATBHOY on 27TH JANUARY 2016 10:54 AM
All that was 4 years ago when it was hot topic. It’s just not happening mate.
TRADITIONALIST88
If you are a B****rd and I dont call you one you are still a B******D
We did win but we are now Old Firm.
If you want to pay Celtic for that privilege … or anyone else …. nobody can stop you.
I will be on here every day though reminding you … ah life ah life
HH
HH
Re: John James
99% of his facts are right
99% of his predictions are wrong
So they lie and cheat, we know this and lets see what comes out i court with Green and Whyte and what the papers decide to print to form public opinion we also know this.
Some great reading on here this morning Bhoys. Keep it up.
Any Transfer news?
KLV
O.G.Rafferty on 27th January 2016 11:06 am
Speaking of JJ, I thought this last line from his post of real interest.
January 26, 2016 at 9:25 pm
Whyte has 80,000 pages of admissible evidence. The prosecution have the Charlotte Fakes tapes. Their publication will be explosive, particularly if it’s revealed who purchased them to use against the former regime
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Interesting. Very surprised to read TBB describe JJ’s blog as ‘disingenious fabrication’ – granted he has jumped to the wrong conclusion a couple of times but he disects the available information in incredible detail and if he is a Rangers 2012 fan…well if there were more like him they wouldnt be in such a mess. Thankfully hes in the minority:)
HH
Chairbhoy
Good morning.
My memory tells me it’s Article 14 but my memory sometimes tells me I left the car keys on the bread bin when they are in my pocket.
That aside you are correct that the para titled Prohibition of Transfer of Membership (not Licence which is an annual event) contains the discretionary power to contradict the para title.
In the same club context that SFA Membership has taken on the role of being the soul of RFC and it’s transfer confers immortality.
Yup how daft does that sound? It’s simply the Membership RFC held in the SFA when it was an SFA club and there was absolutely no need to agree to a transfer.
The other avenue open to SFA Membership via Associate SFA Membership after 5 years of such was never taken. Such a route would have left the “soul” of RFC with the cadaver of RFC.
I suspect that the transfer was a bargaining chip by CG who was being asked to meet the footballing debts of RFC. He would want something for his (borrowed) money and there was commercial value in still being seen as RFC.
So Article 13/14 was used to say SFA had the power to agree to a transfer but I believe the reasons why they did was to keep the money RFC owed in the game as well as protecting future earning potential by holding on to their support.
If Celtic fans do not stand up against this cheating.
We will be subjected to the most ridiculous honest mistakes and judgements….because we have given them carte blanche to cheat.
The only way to make those concerned take any notice….is to refuse to pay to be cheated.
Its quite simple really.
A bit of solidarity would go a long way.
Why Celtic supporters are unable to collectively protest against this cheating….I do not understand.
Shouldnt we all be going mental ?
HH
AWE_NAW_NO_ANNONI_OAN_ANAW_NOO on 27TH JANUARY 2016 10:50 AM
I’m one of these idiots mate. Can’t see me turning my back on Celtic. Football wise I’m looking forward to see how this young team develope.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 27th January 2016 11:10 am
TRADITIONALIST88
If you are a B****rd and I dont call you one you are still a B******D
We did win but we are now Old Firm.
If you want to pay Celtic for that privilege … or anyone else …. nobody can stop you.
I will be on here every day though reminding you … ah life ah life
HH
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We’re only ‘Old Firm’ to what remains of the tabloid world. I won’t lose much sleep over that.
You can remind me if you like – its easy for people who don’t go to Celtic games anyway to encourage others to limit/stop attending, I’d assume ;)
You’d still be punishing Celtic for someone elses crimes.
HH
Timbhoy3
Recent loan deals have helped to finance permanent signings and other projects ……have also kept us solvent, unlike oldco in all of their corruption / cheating……with their tribute act inexorably following suit…..
LENNON’S PASSION
agreed. It is a shame that that youth team will ultimately never be given a level playing field due to the necessity of the Old Firm fix even for Celtic fans .. as you say idiotic
TRADITIONALIST88
Nonsense we would trash our own kids ability to attend to make money out of it. See the terms and conditions of our Season Ticket sales.
HH
Enjoyable and informative read here this morning.
Off topic, I know.
I read a few posts about the pubs being closed in Dublin on Good Friday.
I made a few enquiries and one possibility is the Greyhound Racing at Harold’s Cross, Dublin.
I’m just off the phone to them and I have been told that on payment of the entry fee of €10 you have access to the bars and the racing.
Alternatively there are meal packages etc.
If anyone’s interested let me know and I will take it further for you.
I called the Skylon Hotel too. They will serve drink in your room on Good Friday, not the bars.
Looks like the party is in BMCUWPs room.
HH,
Clogher
dublin2016@mail.com
Expat Celt
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I can’t see why in the absence of any response from them he would not be entitled to go public. He did warn them.
Surely an honest accurate transcript has to be better than descending to the L5 basement level. Where would you have posted the L5 type spin that you suggest?
I thought he showed up SFA lies very well. Everybody knows about them.
Anyway, that’s my opinion.
LENNON’S PASSION on 27TH JANUARY 2016 11:09 AM
BEATBHOY on 27TH JANUARY 2016 10:54 AM
All that was 4 years ago when it was hot topic. It’s just not happening mate.
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But scandals about sporting integrity are now everywhere (FIFA, athletics, tennis) and there seems to be a gathering momentum to have things cleaned up, so who knows.
LENNON’S PASSION on 27TH JANUARY 2016 11:14 AM
‘You’d still be punishing Celtic for someone elses crimes.’
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What if the ‘crime’ you were most concerned about was Celtic staying silent, in full Pontius Pilot mode?
Ernie Lynch
Good point.
Hope springs eternal.
AWE_NAW_NO_ANNONI_OAN_ANAW_NOO
Enjoy your posts when you alter articles. Take what you think of me going to games with a pinch of salt. You don’t go to games so IMO your as much a Celtic man as Billybear.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo
I can’t punish Celtic for the crimes of others. In meetings with fan groups common ground has been found. There will be no shameless Old Firm pandering. We stand alone – there was always a high likelihood of a Rangers newco reaching the top flight because unfortunately that genie is out the bottle…they have a big support. A big delusional support, who think they will compete with us again and put us in our place. The funny thing is some Celtic fans seem to be worried about them.
There will be no resumption of the OF arms race.
We won – don’t punish Celtic for crimes they did not commit.
HH
Honestly…the only joy ive had out of football in the last few years,…no Huns at Celtic Park:)
In my time…Ive fought with them, smashed with bottles, bruised and battered, but we always stood our ground. Ive even been nicked because i was trying to defend myself from the vile bigots…still got the scars on my head:).
Im probably no different from lots of you bhoys out there…we have all had trouble with that scum.
But…the thought of those morons at Celtic Park next season sickens me.
Wish they would just feck off…..They are fecking haunting us.
HH
Afternoon Timland from a spring like hun free mountain valley.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 27th January 2016 10:41 am –
I’m in 100% agreement with you on this, it’s as if the others don’t want us to believe anything he says, aye he speculates to no avail sometimes, and like you, I am smart enough to see it, but again as you say, why is his articalls no being pulled, the mind boggles.
You would think they were desperate for the return of the OF.
HH
In a scenario where we are in direct competition with Sevco on a weekly basis for league points, and when we are outwith the field of play trying to attract sponsors, marketing the club etc, how will the board respond to another club claiming to be Scottish Football’s ‘most successful’ club, with the backing of the SFA?
Particularly galling of course when said club won’t even have one league title to its name.