Celtic Quick News fully supports the decision by the Supporters’ Association Executive Committee to ask an Emergency Delegates Meeting to vote on whether to selectively boycott clubs which vote for a Newco to be admitted directly into the SPL next season.
We discussed the idea of a boycott on this basis towards the end of last season. It appears the only appropriate action if our ‘sport’ can be subjugated for financial ends.
I am sure Celtic fans will not be the only ones considering a boycott. If Newco gains access to the SPL next season there is likely to be a schism between supporters of clubs who opposed the move and those clubs who vote for Newco, despite the wishes of their own supporters.
Kilmarnock might be able to look forward to lower costs for stewarding and turnstile operators, from their own support as well as others. Still, they would be able to open more than one stand when Newco visit.
What a great five days Walter Smith had. His attempts to buy assets from Rangers administrators failed, sigh, but he managed to undermine the guys trying to sell tickets to Ibrox next season, so it wasn’t a complete waste of time. Legned.
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BlantyreKev @ 13:06,
Excellent thought provoking post.
I echo your sentiments, let’s get a level playing field and go back to a truly competitive League.
Hail! Hail!
Part of me is surprised they have applied to SPL..
Better to work your way UP the leagues than DOWN.
If by some Hun miracle they get in.. I really look forward not only to Celtic PUMPING them but almost every other club as well.
As for Chic Green, in fairness he can’t buy players until he knows what league he’s going to be in. However even if the SPL which agent or player is going to risk dealing with Club 12..? The answer is ‘bad ones ‘..
Whatever happens we will enjoy it.
I was running (not marchin’) in a 10k race at Bellahouston on Sunday. The start was delayed by about 20 minutes and I just received an email explaining why:
“An official apology about the late start and parking issues: we had hired the Albion Car Park from 07:00 and it wasn’t opened by their staff – it was completely outwith our control but we know it’s also unacceptable – in the end we handed the matter over to the Police who sorted it out for us, but because of the delay, we decided to delay the warm-up and start so as to let everyone get to the park and warm up before the 10k started.”
Did they forget to TUPE the car park attendants?
James Forrest@14:50
In my view, whatever way that vote goes, it is wide open to a legal challenge … and I cannot, for the life of me, fathom why Celtic and others are going into that room to take part in it. Surely our legal advice on this must be sound’
That was my initial thought as soon as i had read Bella Caledonia’s piece
Why is nobody saying “This is not normal procedure. We are breaking our own rules here”
More worryingly, are they deliberately ignoring the above to rush through a ‘yes’ vote?
Billy’s Bhoy on 20 June, 2012 at 14:39 said
Would Ross County not be better to vote No. If no Newco in SPL then Pars or DFC therefore better chance of SPL survival
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Aye mate, Wi the price o’petrol these days – Two less trips to Glasgow should be a no brainer to them:)
Teuchter
South Of Tunis on 20 June, 2012 at 14:40 said:
A game in Greenock between Morton and the huns and a boy from the Gorbals gets the blame for causing trouble. He wiz framed a tel yees.
NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…” on 20 June, 2012 at 14:34 said:
Gordon_J -What about clubs who abstain?
They need 8 votes in total to be admitted. 7 – 0 with five abstentions is not enough
hoopeddreams – Don;t know about Motherwell. Their statement to me read like they would vote in favour for financial reasons.
79caps – Hearts may well be in favour. But with their owner, who knows?
Billy’s Bhoy – Ros County should vote in favour to get a weaker team in. But will they? Their Director of Football is a hun with an EBT.
This may eventually not be needed. But I would prefer it was focused and phrased more positively rather than negatively.
Emphasising this as support FOR those clubs that vote FOR INTEGRITY would I think sit better.
The CSA will encourage attendance at grounds that have voted no to newco huns. We will be happy to take extra seats and encourage fans who don’t normally go away to join in supporting those who stood for integrity.
We will encourage fans to make retail purchases to boost income.
We will ask CFC to consider making ALL away tickets at Celtic Park to be offered free to visiting clubs who have SUPPORTED INTEGRITY and allow those clubs to keep the proceeds.
We will ask CFC to support a more even distribution of the TV deal income so that there is a smaller gap between top and bottom.
We will listen to concerns from struggling clubs and will support other initiatives where we can. It may be that games such as testimonial games or under 19 games can be promoted and sold to assist struggling clubs that voted FOR INTEGRITY.
We offer this without conditions or requirements as our own contribution to encouraging and maintaining INTEGRITY in Scottish Football.
We will also reserve the right to consider avoiding clubs that undermine the principle of sporting integrity and vote yes to newco huns.
Now, doesn’t that sound more appealing and something you might find worth exploring if you were a wavering chair?
HH
wonkyradar on 20 June, 2012 at 13:45 said:
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That even had my missus cracking up!
:-))
Ten Men Won The League:
Can you point me in the direction of that article mate?
The odd thing is, if NewCo is voted into the league that too is subject to a legal challenge. I can’t understand at all why the SPL is leaving the goal gaping open like this. How much more a mockery do they want the game in Scotland to be?
TIMGREEN 1239
Well done on the info to Alex Thomson,damned fine thinking!
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BTW,had a fair few problems wi the laptop today,probably from a link.
If it was on here,a fair chance I won’t be the only one with the problem,so watch out,lads.
Only became apparent around nine/ten am,if that’s any help.
System restore took A-G-E-S…..
cadizzy on 20 June, 2012 at 13:24 said:
DBBIA
I even remember a top of the table clash in 1979 (maybe 1980) at Cappielow when Morton beat Celtic 1-0 to go top for Christmas. The ground was full with a very large Morton support as well as Celtic support. Competitive game, ground bursting at the seams.
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Murdo blasted a penalty over the bar at the wee dublin end i think
Maybe Parks o’Hamilton will provide free coach service to all teams voting yes to newco?
James Forrest
wonkyradar posted it @14:37
James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 20 June, 2012 at 14:50 said:
You worry too much :)
What right would Newco, under your own interpretation of the rules have as a new applicant (not a transfer) to challenge the SPL for saying nope you have not provided sufficient assurances and the SFA cannot grant a licence to play?(Have you read commenst on PmC web site about them having the right to vote and what should apply that support your interpretation?)
Once football makes up its mind Newco are not worth having in the SPL football as in the SFA and SPL have enough ammo to say no within their own rules.
It is a matter of persuading clubs that Newco is worse idea than no Newco, if that happens the rules will be applied as opposed to dodged or misinterpreted. Long before the 4th the decision will be made one way or another, in fact I wonder if the newco application will get that far.
The Man Who Would Be King – the story of two English freemasons who travel to a benighted part of the world and set themselves up as kings, hoping to loot the primitive natives of their gold.
Unfortunately they stay longer than anticipated and the locals realise their grandiose stories were untrue. They end up being set about by an angry mob. (thumbsup)
Paul67,
wonkyradar posted earlier re an assertion that the upcoming vote should,under the spl’s articles of association,have had 21 days notice,no vote from the artist formerly known as rangers and require not an 8-4 but 11-1 (or is it 10-1) vote.
Are you in position to say whether this interpretation is shared by those in authority at Celtic Park and,if so,do they intend to pursue this?
Like yourself,I have serious doubts whether a vote will take place on 4th July but,if it does,I would be heartened if there was confidence Mr.Doncaster is being challenged on this.
Best Regards
medtim
on 20 June, 2012 at 15:01 said:
Totally agree. Think the CSA might have been a bit quick out with the ole’ stick rather than the carrot.
From Scotsman Website
Allan Pattullo
Altogether now –
‘follow follow we will follow Club12..’
Made me laugh :>)
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Philvis- Michael Micklewhite and Tam Connery in the film?
South Of Tunis on 20 June, 2012 at 14:40
gorbalstam on 20 June, 2012 at 14:59
Ah, but it was not a Gorbals nutter at all. It would have been a local nutter from Cumberland Road….think yourself lucky he was from Cumberland Road and not some even nuttier parts
Dontbrattbakkinanger – Yes indeed, and John Huston directing.
Let’s hope for Charlie Green’s sake he doesn’t decide to make a local girl his queen. (thumbsup)
Cadizzy – I hope no heavy breestit Greenock maidens risked their virtue in what sounds like a most unsavoury incident.
ASonOfDan on 20 June, 2012 at 14:45 said:
This disinformation is what everyone is up against
“We as a newco started having discussions and as far as we are concerned, all the contracts transferred under TUPE.”
No they have not, the employees have a say and if they agree to join Newco it will be under TUPE conditions. TUPE is there to protect emplyees rights, not make them slaves. Wishart knows this, the player’s agents know this and the players know this.
All they have to do is ask Green how he expects to honor their contracts and make a profit without reentering administration. if they accept his assurances fair enough. I’m betting they will not.
Cadizzy,
nuttier parts – like the Port ?
Seville67
timgreen on 20 June, 2012 at 14:22 said:
Wouldn’t worry.
1. Most posters on her are avowed unionists and want to vote similarly.
2. They only have 41 congregations. 41 x 50 (I’m being generous) = 2050 souls.
I suspect the coverage they get is disproportionate to their voting ability.
HH
Anyone like to help me stage a buyout of CLUB 12 LIMITED (Company No. SC117316). They are based at:
15 KINCARDINE PLACE
BARNCUMHALL
EAST KILBRIDE
LANARKSHIRE
G74 3DN
This is a dormant company whose business had been “Buying and selling of own real estate”. If I can buy this company and change it’s purpose to “football club”, I can play in the SPL next season as there is already provision through the fixtures for Club 12 to play some games.
Who’s with me?
Mort
Mort- count me in. We could call ourselves the knights of the round table, you can be Mort d’Arthur.
The Newco vote shows up everything that’s wrong with Scottish football. The premise of the vote, if the MSM is to be believed (no laughing at the back!) is that clubs are voting yes in order to protect their own financial position. The notion that clubs will vote purely on the notion that it has been proved that RFC(ia) engaged in systematic cheating over the past 18 months (the BTC/dual contracts/illegal payments bomb have yet to drop), is barely mentioned by the MSM.
Two weeks ago an Aberdeen fan made the excellent point to jim Spence that the TV deal has made clubs complacent, he pointed out that, in order to offset the total loss of SKY income, Aberdeen would only have to recruit 1000 new STs. Given that a league without RFC(ia) would allow for a place in Europe,and a better tilt at trophies, this shouldn’t be hard.
Clubs should look on RFC(ia)’s demise as a golden oppurtunity to get back to more competitive league that existed before ranjurz adopted blatant cheating to diminish the competitive element of Scottish football.
Imagine Roman Obramhovic saying: ‘for every fiver Man City spend, we’ll spend a tenner’ he would be criticised by the English press, the MSM response to Minty was to condemn every other club, but especially Celtic (biscuit tin) for not spending unsustainable amounts of money.
St Johnstone, Dundee Utd etc, should be exploiting the abscence of The Thems.
If a Celtic supporters group decides to bhoycott teams who want to sustain cheating and bigotry, then good on them!
There is no such thing as ‘too big to fail’ in competitive sport.
RFC(ia/L): ‘too ugly to live, too stupid to die’
VOTE NO!
Well that Bella Caledonia article lays it out in pretty unarguable detail.
This vote is outwith the rules. Rangers (Deceased) have already challenged a finding in the courts because the verdict from it fell outwith the regulations as handed down. If, say, Kilmarnock, felt they had been unfairly impacted by a No to NewCo vote they would be perfectly entitled to challenge it in court, not to mention NewCo itself.
Who knows what skullduggery could be attempted in the 21 days between that hearing and a new one? That would put us right on the edge of the new season, where the pressure to admit a NewCo would be enormous ….
I see problems here. Massive ones.
MORT 1522
I’ll lob ya ten bob for 50%,or even 25% at the most recent exchange rate.
I’m good for it,honest.
Mind,you’ll have to be quick,the way Royal Ascot is going so far……
CultsBhoy loves being 1st forever & ever on 20 June, 2012 at 15:14 said:
I know him well – he is not a bad lad really! No love for Them.
Just saw the back page of the DR. If they have seen fit to headline the CSA`s boycott, then it confirms my view that the CSA were wrong to announce it.
Nothing wrong with a boycott, simply the timing without taking into account, it would seem, how our media would respond to it. The ” as bad as each other ” mob will see it as that even when ” the other” don`t exist.
JJ
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/1979-10-20%3A+Morton+1-0+Celtic%2C+League+-+Pictures
Morton might be wearing their tradional Orange and Blue outfit for Celtics visit back in the day.
what was that all about
Mort on 20 June, 2012 at 15:22 said:
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I’ll give you £1 for that!
sgd. Craig Whyte.
;-)
Mort on 20 June, 2012 at 15:22 said:
I’m in! Can I be Company Secretary please? I like signing things without reading them first.
when flouting rules do it discreetly and with dignity
Seville67
The Port ordinarily would not be regarded as nutty if it were not for that st stivs.
Actually, one of the Port gangs was (maybe still is) called Sinn Fein. They might well have been the political wing of the Young Kelburn.