Make what you wish of Strathclyde Police reporting Celtic fans for “illicit chanting” to a Uefa match observer in October, the bottom line is that Uefa have fined Celtic €15,000 (around £12,700), established a benchmark for future action and more importantly sullied the club’s reputation.
Job done by those who wanted this confrontation to happen.
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Seville67 says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:40
What is more important ?
Supporting Celtic , defending the right to sing whatever we want , petty challenges on what is and is not illicit, finding out why Eddie Smith did what he did ?
Work it out guys it’s not hard.
I have no interest in what the huns do or do not – they are beneath me.
I love Celtic and never again want us on any charge for the behaviour of our support.
Time to grow up and move on. A victory in Italia awaits.
Seville67
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Well said
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
13 December, 2011 at 10:49
BMCUW,
Greenjedi is a middleclass boorish bigot, he has no inclination to listen or debate the underlying issues, his only argumnt is appeasement. His motive for the condemnation of Celtic supporters for singing songs, is it may ingratiate us with the scottish establishment its his only goal, like that of the board, as far as I’m concerned heand his ilk are a waste of breath, possibly meeja
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CANAMALAR,we need to be united on this,and being divisive is not helping. If someone disagrees with your opinion on the matter of the songs-I pretty much agree with you,as you know-then the onus is on education to reinforce your point of view. Abuse does not help. We are being attacked from ALL sides of the Establishment here,because they have the rulebook to hand and can change it to their purpose.
The ONLY way to defeat this is by a united front. Me,personally,I would brush off the 80s songbook,and give it full-on. But that is a weapn best held in the armoury.
There are a lot of Celtic fans who want the singing to be sanitised beyond anything which you and I would recognise,and that is not acceptable,IMO.
I think we need to meet them halfway,with the 80s songbook still in the armoury as I said.
Arguing amongst ourselves is only helping the agenda which is set against us.
To my mind the most logical explanation is that they’ve picked out “Ooh ahh up the…” as the illicit chant. If this is the chant they are fining us for then I’m struggling to defend the supporters that chant it. If it was BOTOB I would probably join a lot of people in being outraged, but the brand of nationalism associated with ooh ahh up the RA is not what I want to hear at Celtic matches (even though I’m not entirely convinced those chants are “illicit”).
Can’t defend the Celtic board either as they should have been straight with the fans at a time when Celtic fans are feeling a bit under seige – we need a bit of back up from the board.
I agree with a previous poster, this is just more ammo for those wishing to seek the back of the current board.
Any notion PL would to anything other than throw survival rope to the Huns is contrary to behaviour to date. He could sanction modest spending on a few decent players that would easily see the Huns collapse. He hasn’t and he won’t. Why is that do you think?
Its the only thing the board could do in my opinion, If they appealed then we would be trying to defend a situation that would just make us look daft.
Remember Bain trying to defend that lot? He looked stupid.
This is a great site but one bad thing about it is one realizes how extreme some peoples views are , I find it stunning and disappointing in equal measures.
Does it really matter that we can not sing the ra stuff ? Does it?The war is over, remember those who paid the ultimate penalty but is it respectful to remember them at a football ground?
I don not think it is but then mibby l am missing something?
Mtt
Mort
I tend to agree, and it’s pretty clear he was on the money (again) even although it upset fans yesterday. I don’t accept the bit about the board being ‘content’ with a guilty, it may be better for Celtic to accept and not protract or develope another Sion type saga which attracts more bad publicity.
I think we’ll wait till the media feeding frenzy dies, and then Celtic will privately meet with Supporters groups and give specific guidance on ‘the song book’.
The stats you produced illustrate many things including UEFA incompetency and inconsistency, but most of all that the fine (and the charge) is very minor in comparison, despite the continuing anti Celtic coverage it will generate in Scotland.
It’s an unjust world out there, and this is just a reminder that we support a miraculous club.
Ernie lynch
You’d have us singing provisional IRA songs at Celtic park regardless of what uefa thinks. It’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion with anyone with that sort of moral compass.
Paul67:
If you read this… Could you do me a favour and pass on my utter disgust, contempt and dismay to any that you know of influence at Parkhead. Tomorrow, when I simmer down, I will send them a letter.
bsr,
Even more sadly the anti Board Brigade have been given a whole new arsenal of ammunition.
what absolute drivel, the anti board brigade are justified by this, its the pro board brigade who now need to search their hearts and find justification for the boards part in the vilification of the Celtic support, this whole episode is of the boards making.
I predicted this and the worse to come when I read lawwells comments at the AGM.
Ad there is worse to come, and your representitive board are right at the front of the queue to destroy the Celtic support and rip the heart and soul out of the club..
Cowardly, shameful betrayal by the board. They cannot be allowed to survive this. Oust them now.
The whole situation has 3 important facets:
1. Many people including Celtic supporters do not want to hear support for the IRA. We can respect their views and stop this (those of us who do it) or continue to do it now we know where the land appears to lie. If it is merely the 3 letters I,R and A then that can go overnight and it won’t be missed.
2. The role of the police is disgusting and some kind of group should be set up to get answers from their leaders. This cannot come out of nowhere and I firmly believe some kind of political pressure has been behind this. People should find out what has gone on here and seek clarity.
3. If on the other hand this is opening a door for fascist Policing of the Celtic support then we have a major problem in society. If it is just at football what happens when a boy walks down the street singing an Irish song. Can he be reported? ONe boy was locked up recently and released without charge – the kind of thing reserved for Terrorists usually (wrongly in many but not all cases).
This is much more than a UEFA fine, this is a systematic attempt to criminalize the Celtic support for the ends of a few people.
I am glad I don’t live in a cesspool of bigotry like Scotland. Never coming back and that is a sad thing.
celtic40me says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:48
‘Ernie lynch
You’d have us singing provisional IRA songs at Celtic park regardless of what uefa thinks. It’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion with anyone with that sort of moral compass.’
Don’t blame me for your inability to answer a question.
bournesouprecipe says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:16
Celtic have decided against appealing UEFA’s fine for “illicit chanting”
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Lovely. I won’t be back.
Stabbed in the back by a board with an agenda.
First game in 67,last game in 11.
Does it really matter that we can not sing the ra stuff ? Does it?The war is over, remember those who paid the ultimate penalty but is it respectful to remember them at a football ground?
Thats why the stupid poppy shouldn’t be stuck on football jerseys..the war seems to be on against ‘fenians’ in Scotland..
Paul67 et al
None of us seem to know just exactly what criteria the Match Commander was applying when he flagged up (no offence intended) the Celtic Support on the night of the Rennes match. Was it Scots Law, or was it in fact the Uefa discipinary code? If it was the latter, was Eddie Smith representing UEFA or his employer, Strathclyde Police? Anybody care to enlighten us? I will agree with Peter Lawell on one thing mind you, our reputation has been tarnished, not by the magnificent support given to the team that night but by the Strathclyde Police!
oglach UFB says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:18
JHJ says:
13 December, 2011 at 08:46
Hey guys, in the wake of the UEFA verdict do you not think various sections of our support should pay attention to what “we” (Celtic supporters) have been found guilty of and just stop these songs. The troubles are over and Celtic, although proud of our heritage and history have never be anti-anyone in their history. We have never had a sectarian signing policy, we have always embraced players of all faiths, so long as they were “Celtic class” e.g. Kenny Dalgleish, Danny McGrain, Jock Stein, Ronnie Simpson etc – Let Rangers blight their club with songs of hate.
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What are you on JHJ – name one Irish republican song that mentions hatred of faith or glories in the death of a foe? On the contrary Irish Republican songs epitomise qualities which are the very antithesis of bigotry and sectarianism – just a bit like Celtic. Read your history FFS.
We have been stitched up by some vague UEFA directive. Read the charge illicit chants –no show me incontrovertible proof that anything we sing is Illicit. Distasteful to some you may argue but as many posters have pointed out Flower of Scotland, Bonny Charlie, Loch Lomond are songs that glorify Rebellions that happened long ago but are the Scots asked to stop singing these as the English /UEFA may find them Illicit? Perhaps you advocate removal of the Tricolour as well as deeming the Soldiers song Illicit.
Basically stop blaming the GB or whoever else chooses to sing Irish nationalist songs.
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I agree with most of your post. I just believe that it is no longer acceptable to sing IRA songs any more. If however, songs like the Fields of Athenry and Let the People Sing are deemed “illicit” then that is wrong and we need to fight that.
With regards to songs of hate, I was inferring that belongs to Rangers supporters, not us.
cardiffbhoy says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:38
there’s a surprise. uefa fine us for our fans behaviour and its peter lawwell’s fault.
it doesnt take much to work out why we haven’t been told what we can and can’t sing, you don’t have to be the greatest strategic thinker to put yourself in the shoes of the people who run the club to work out why they might avoid doing that at all.
the songs that are played over the tannoy have never put us at risk of being fined by uefa. its not a very subtle difference, it’s not that difficult to make the distinction.
Two daughters (season ticket holders) holding down good jobs…
Why would I let them risk their future…
Celtic…Scunnered with you lot…..
celtic40me @ 11:48
Identify a post where he has ever said that.
Otherwise GTF.
The role of poisonous lying muppets like you will not be forgotten.
Oglachufb
“we have been stiched up”
Yup or Gotcha in other words.
The huns will be happy they finally got one back after TFS and TBBs but does anyone seriously believe that the removal of reference to the IRA,TFS and TBB is not over the piece something worth getting?
For a kick off we can get back to the football.
The sense of grievance comes from the idea TFS and TBB will continue unabated, we must make sure it is given equivalent treatment until they are heard no more.
In that sense Celtic have to take this grievance to the authorities and do so publically.
Just time for a quick comment.
Too many posters are saying I agree/disagree with Yoofa when they don’t know clearly what Yoofa’s position is.
Too many people agreeing/ disagreeing with PL when they do not know clearly what PL’s position is.
If there is to be a debate, let the terms of the debate and the terms of the charge leveled against us be made explicit.
I am not interested in your opinion as to what PL or Yoofa meant. I am interested in both those parties being explicit about what they meant.
Meantime, I am none the wiser today than I was yesterday despite all the words spent on this.
We cannot go on with this “Aye, ye know fine what I mean, even though I’m never going to tell you” type of approach.
I will catch replies this evening.
The only thing I heard at the Game that could possibly have been reported to UEFA was Paddy McCourts Fenian Army, but that could only be reported by a an anti irish bigot and would have been laughed out of UEFAs commitee, so did I miss something when I was at the loo?
Yep, cue the hun brigade.
Note their names, and remember.
ernie lynch says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:51
you dont deserve an answer.
How much did UEFA fine those who desecrated and devastated Manchester?
give the fine to the GB after all the fine is for them
Glasgow Hibernian Est Tues 13 Dec 2011 (Formally known as Glasgow Celtic)
CultsBhoy
My reply to Mort @ 11.47 sums up, how I feel.
Because we are such a broad support, and open to all, it naturally follows that there will be division.
Pragmatism indeed may have had a major part to play in the decision to accept that “some clown shouted up the ra”
The injustice for me is in percentages of supporter, and numeracy of offenders, the tiny minority cannot be overly emphasised.
Have the Orcs been reported for Sunday yet!!!!! Haven’t heard or read anything about them filthy bigoted tinks.
kitalba
I think you know, but I’ll say it anyway – nothing.
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam) says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:41
I just want clarification, something definitive. BRTHs post last night eloquently covered all the issues and i agree entirely with what he said, i wonder
what he thinks of the boards stance on this now?
HH
Are Celtic fans the only fans the police have reported to the SPL & UEFA?
If so, WHY?
kitalba: 13 December, 2011 at 11:56
“How much did UEFA fine those who desecrated and devastated Manchester?”
Nothing. Those, eh … Chelsea and, erm … Tottenham fans were clever enough to riot away from the Stadium.
Afternoon bhoys, the sun is out, warm and hun free.
Dissapointed to say the least.
No more money from me or my family Celtic, can’t be part of this.
celtic40me says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:56
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I’m not convinced you aren’t a PLC shill.
Auld Neil Lennon heid says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:54
Celtic is going to sell the huns 8,000 tickets soon. If Celtic are still thinking about taking the old firm circus to America they are going to incite a considerable back-lash.
Saddened by today’s news, scunnered at the inevitability of it all.
I knew UEFA were under pressure – political pressure – to come after us. I knew the SFA were foaming at the mouth to do it. I knew, in the end, with the Football Bill about to become law that the fans of our club were going to have to accept some harsh new realities and play it smart.
For all of it, I thought they would have the backing of our club. How wrong, how utterly wrong, I was.
This decision today stinks to high heaven. Not because it is wrong – and it is wrong, it is very wrong, we have the highly paid CEO of our club, who is meant to be representing us effectively admitting our guilt in front of the world – but because it is so clearly the club pushing the agenda against its own fans.
I don’t believe Republican songs belong inside a football ground. That is a personal opinion of mine, and has been for many, many years. But they are not illegal, they are not sectarian, and there is no inalienable right in our culture and society, nor should there be, against being offended. That some people are offended is clear and unarguable. But some people are offended by jaggy letterboxes. If I painted my house in green and white hoops someone would be offended. Indeed, any number of things offend me; some of the political debate on this blog over the last few days has, but I don’t want those who disagree with me banned from this blog far less criminalised for it. (Although in Awe_Naw’s case I would put his capitalist back to the wall on the day of the Revolution!)
The fact is, without giving our fans guidance on what the offensive song/illicit chant is, neither since this investigation began or now that the “shame” of our support has been “accepted” by its board (Ian Bankier by the way – ask him what HIS favourite Celtic game is; you might be very surprised by the answer) the board itself has sullied our reputation and made a repeat more likely.
This is one of the most spineless and craven decisions I can ever remember being taken inside the walls of Celtic Park and this decision – more so than the actions of a few fans who do not have the tactical sensibility to know when to shut up (yes, there ARE considerations here bigger than their rights to offend. For the last few years we HAVE held the moral high ground – not today, and trading it away is forever) – is the true shame of our football club.
Many on here are talking about not renewing season tickets.
Now, all the board has to do is back the survival of NewCo Rangers as an SPL side and both halves of Old Firm Incorporated will be playing in front of half full houses in two years time.
Maybe this is the Grand Plan to save Scottish Football and make it more competitive.
greenjedi says:
13 December, 2011 at 11:36
I have been in Duffy’s, or the Glue Pot, as it was once nicknamed; but it was never my local.
I followed my father in law into Sharkey’s, when I first came to this land and stayed there, more or less.