Scottish clubs, including (original) Rangers, opposed the imposition of Strict Liability on clubs for offenses by their fans as long as the club concerned had undertaken all reasonable precautions to discourage and prevent those offenses.
In other words, if a club warn fans what is unacceptable behaviour, and confirm they will be banned from your stadium if they indulge, the club will not incur any punishment. As we know, it’s different in European competition, where clubs are held responsible for fans’ transgressions.
This is all fine and well, but it’s a moot debate after the Scottish Cup Final riot. Hibs and (Newco) Rangers may well have taken all reasonable precautions ahead of the game, but that changed for Newco immediately thereafter.
The statement defending the Newco fans taking the law into their own hands on the Hampden pitch that day is the opposite of undertaking all reasonable precautions. In fact, it was incendiary. I have little doubt it contributed to the actions of Newco fans in the first few months of this season, who appear to wandering around Premiership grounds ready to settle perceived scores.
Justification by Statement has continued. It’s now a pattern. The question for the SFA disciplinary panel, is whether they condone clubs encouraging fans taking the law into their own hands, as consistent with reasonable precautions, when deciding on actions by visiting fans at Celtic Park and Pittodrie.
It’s not. In fact, it’s dangerous and will lead to increasingly alarming situations until those setting the fires are brought to account. What happened at Celtic Park and Pittodrie was bad enough but far more serious consequences could lie ahead if this clarion call for Direct Action isn’t faced.
The players will still be buzzing from Wednesday night when they take to the field at Dens tomorrow lunchtime. We could blow Dundee away in a wave of effervescent football, or we could struggle to get heads out of the clouds. We’ve witnessed both scenarios before.
Jimmy Johnstone
You’re in for a treat tonight, the Jimmy Johnstone documentary is on BBC Alba at 9:30, on what would have been his 72nd birthday. It’s a brilliant journey into the life and family of an extraordinary-ordinary person. I thought I’d known all there was to know about the Jinky story, but I didn’t realise he was decades ahead of the game in terms of fitness and training techniques.
Brain injury
We have a special article out today, written by SunnyJim, on brain injury in the game (and a whole lot more). We re-examine a blow to the head taken early in the 6-2 game by Fernando Ricksen, who like Jinky, was struck by Motor Neurone Disease.
The game has a responsibility to its players, which means we all need to become educated in some of the risks. Read the article, you’ll learn something significant about an incident you are very familiar with.
The Celtic Foundation has had a great boost already from all those who are doing the Great Scottish Run on Sunday on its behalf. Dozens of Celtic fans have been sponsored by hundreds of fans, raising thousands of pounds.
This will be the last you hear from me on the subject before the off; if you can help, here’s the place.
Thank you, and thanks to everyone who has already contributed.
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TALLYBHOY
Yes, and I branded you a heretic. Two strikers? Outrageous.
;)
Good article by SunnyJim on head injuries – some good stuff by John Beattie on issues in rugby too http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35558846
DAVIDOPOULOS
Next you’ll be wanting the GK’s primary role to be saving shots…
COOLMORE MAFIA on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:16 PM
Anti Catholic bigotry in Scotland predates the Labour Party by a long long way.
The issue is with Scottish society and culture rather than any particular political party.
Get well soon wee Shay
Your a wonderful ambassador for our club
HH
God bless we Shaybhoy.
Ernie I take it you include the SNP when you say any political party? H H Hebcelt
DAVIDOPOLOUS
Two strikers, eh?!
Never catch on!
Brendan could always give Ciftci a game tomorrow.
On second thoughts!
Naw!
HH!!
Get well soon Wee Shay!
Prayers said for your speedy recovery!
DAVIDOPOULOS
Jabba is just doing his job. He will most probably have drawn up a Comms strategy but it will be done according to a brief given to him by his paymasters
I don’t know much about him but he doesn’t strike me as being capable of thinking about sustainable business strategy, like his clients and unlike our board.
Tallybhoy
I bet if we played with two strikers we wouldn’t be scoring 4+ goals, the reason we are spanking teams is due to the set up, we are winning the midfield big time and the goals are coming from all over.
HH
Ernie I have stopped using the bigotry word and call it what it really is. Racism.
HEBCELT on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:55 PM
‘Ernie I take it you include the SNP when you say any political party? H H Hebcelt’
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I know a lot of people regard them as being more of a cult than a political party, what with them not allowing any form of dissent while others regard them as being nothing more than a job creation scheme for Scotland’s criminal law practitioners, but for present purposes, yes I would include them within the definition of political party.
One of course that is more mired in anti Irish Catholic bigotry than any of the others, and one whose sole objective is to remove Scotland from any civilising and moderating influence the UK might have, but there you go.
Don’t know if anyone has posted this since Citeh game or since Joey came up.From 2007 or so.
Ricky ‘Hitman’ Hatton.
“I have a lot of mates who are footballers, Robbie
(Fowler) and Joey (Barton) took me up to watch Rangers
as they are big fans, but to be honest I really didn’t
enjoy the atmosphere at all. It might seem strange
coming from me, but the atmosphere was aggressive
without being hard if that makes sense.
I really didn’t understand them at all.
I then went with Wayne and Roy a few years back to watch Celtic and it was
magic. Their fans were passionate and supportive and
gave us a great welcome without getting in our faces
all the time. Celtic has a lot in common with City in
that they are the people’s team of their city (sorry
Wayne !) and they haven’t forgot their roots, a real
working class team which does credit to the city they
represent”.
From previous
Strict Liability is going to need Strict Liability Police (SLP) to police it fairly.
Who is that going to be? It cannot be the SFA, they have lost all semblance of trust across the supporter spectrum, including those from Govan.
So will an independent body be required to police (and who polices them?) and as it seems to be the Scottish Government who are demanding this, will they fund an independent overseer? An independent overseer needs funding independent of football.
If one is set up can its role be widened to make the SFA itself more accountable?
These are the issues that need addressed first, then clear criteria for what needs the SLP intervention.
What are the chances of it being done properly or will we end up with another dog’s breakfast OBA perceived as a playing field leveller?
Plus
Neganon2
It will be very much in Celtic’s footballing interests to see that any SL legislation is independently policed and if it gets dirty perhaps they will be less reluctant to use material (see TJN Report http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ ) that backs any case of SFA unfitness to police, than they have in the past.
Hello again all you young rebels.
In all the euphoria over our wonderful performance against
the millionaire mancs i forgot about the wee mhan who
has been at scout camp all week and i knew he would be
fretting about the score as no phones ,no iPads, no electrical
thingys allowed just live off the land in a tent, but never
underestimate the ingenuity of youth, he stopped a couple
of German hitchhikers on the Dandenong mountains and
asked them to use their mobiles. he he.
Deutschland uber alles.
H.H Mick
CELTIC40ME
That may be the case although I believe that Jabba’s opinion carries more weight (sorry bad choice of words) at the top of the marble staircase than you think. He has the sports editors in his back pocket and decides what they print and when. I believe Glib and The Quiff are almost entirely reliant on his input on the PR side.
COOLMORE MAFIA on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:16 PM
Ernie is right. Fat Huns is a cross party problem.
I’d assumed the hun statements are being produced in house, to save money, rather than by Level5.
Whoever is responsible is a rank amateur.
Just catching up as usual.
Best wishes to our wonderful wee ambassador Shay
get well soon.
H.H Mick
Some pundits have compared Moussa Dembele to a young Didier Drogba, altho’ he has a fair bit to go before he can emulate what Drogba did.
However, Moussa only turned 20 a couple of months ago and has already scored 31 goals in competitive matches for Fulham and Celtic in 80 appearances. This season he has scored 12 goals in 16 matches.
When Drogba was the same age he had yet to score a competitive goal, but he soon made up for it.
Brendan has found an absolute gem and he will only get better over the next few years.
Let’s all appreciate what we have here and enjoy it while we can.
HH!!
Purely ot of interest, have Scotland’s finest managed to identify and arrest anyone for the wanton destruction in the toilets following a 5-1 humiliation? Short of holding up placards with their names, date of birth and addresses, the video clips seemed as clear as day!
Get well very soon ShayBhoy, the Celtic family are with you all the way.
God Bless wee man.
Thanks Ern a simple yes would have been sufficient but I did spot it amongst your waffle. H H Hebcelt
In the posts mentioning ” Jabba”, I take it that means Traynor ?
If so I will share a wee story later about him and his far out of touch he is with football !
BIG JIMMY on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:24 PM
In the posts mentioning ” Jabba”, I take it that means Traynor ?
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Yes.
Good Afternoon!
Here is something new. About Wednesday’s game and Mark Warburton struggling in a goldfish bowl…
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2016/09/30/a-great-football-philosopher-speaks/
Prayer said for wee Shay. Get well soon, wee Mhan.
Maybe its because I’ve always been a massive Rod Stewart fan
since he first hooked up with Long John Baldry back in the sixtes
but i would love it if he made a record of our.. Grace.. with that
throaty sound i think it would be a monster hit.
And because that is my wee granddaughter’s name has nothing
whatsoever to do with it.
H.H Mick
BIG JIMMY
Traynor aka ‘Jabba’.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabba_the_Hutt
HH!!
Ernie
Remember that Jabba wrote very similar articles for the oldco during his ill fated tenure. If it’s not him, it is one his courtiers…
MALCEYE
You’ve got to wonder what makes any human being slink
into toilets and proceed to destroy the place under cover
and doors closed, darkness etc.
CHANTY WRASTLERS thats what my wee da would have
called them.
H.H Mick
Get well soon, Shay. Prayers offered. HH
Thoughts with wee Shay for a quick recovery.
Most of us had seizures from watching the Hoops on Wednesday night too, wee man.
Best wishes to his family.
Neganon 2.
There is no doubt that you are a wired up guy. However I think you have a problem to differentiate between, bigotry, sectarianism and racism.
The casual use of Racism in Scotland is so yesterday and devalues minority’s where genuine racism takes place. The Irish in Scotland according to most independent opinion achieved parity of employment in the 1990’s. Five generations is too long, but nevertheless that was > than a quarter of a century ago.
The recognised effects of racism include poor health ( including mental ) , lesser income, poor education, lack of any values and a lack of aspiration.
If you can describe today that the Irish in Scotland are any worse than any of the other demographics than you may have a case. Have a look at the prominent professionals, huge strides have been achieved. Indeed the faith education of most scots of Irish decent is the envy of the educational comprehensive system.
That is why so many Scots of a different faith try to place their children in these schools.
The glass ceiling has been smashed in Scotland. Never to return.
That is why I respectfully disagree with your terminology.
Best rgds and HH.
Finally found time to read Their statement. It is, as exopected, on Their official site. That’s also where all of their results from last season are. Or, rather, should be. Because it remains one of this years unsolved mysteries that the May 2016 Scottish Cup Final never actually took place at all. Wel;l, according to their own, official site! Check here and have a wee smile – http://rangers.co.uk/matches/?season_filter=2015
It has to be said.
That first Celtic goal was one of the best ever training ground goals.
A Brilliant view from Mrs Lustigs Camera.
5 minutes in
Fantastic Brendan and the Bhoys. Delighted for wee Jamesie, a truly magical Celtic moment.
MALCEYE on 30TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:21 PM
Purely ot of interest, have Scotland’s finest managed to identify and arrest anyone for the wanton destruction in the toilets following a 5-1 humiliation? Short of holding up placards with their names, date of birth and addresses, the video clips seemed as clear as day!
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If it wasn’t so sinister it would be hilarious.It’s like they want to openly demonstrate discrimination against our supporters.It’s blatant.Dawn raids for dangling a couple of blow-up dolls,that suggests the polis either have an abundance of resources to spare or we live in the most crime free country on Earth that they can spend such time and effort on a trivial matter.Of course,it’s none of these reasons so we get back to the disquieting thought of it being something more unsettling,or sinister,as mentioned earlier.
Has the polis not got access to youtube?Wonder the outcome so far if the GB had wrecked toilets at Penniless Arcade and filmed it,then posted it on the internet for the world to see?And all done in between filling the ether with sectarian,racist execrable songs.The GB would have their own wing in one of ol’ Liz’s hotels.And be counting their lucky stars there’s no death penalty in jokeland.
It’s a 24 carat scandal all in the name of hunnery.
I’m with the Compton brothers:”F**k the po-lease”.