Old Lumley-troubled used a classic rhetorical technique yesterday. Give your target audience lots of points to consider which you know they will agree with; build empathy, get heads nodding, fists banging on tables, then slip in the line you are trying to sell. As a piece of prose, you have to respect the statement. This guy, or his writer, has not only read the Greeks, he’s understood their importance.
If Sir David is right, Rangers issued no side contracts, all non-discretionary payments to players in connection to football were registered, if the redacted contract which appeared in The Sun in March was a piece of fiction, if the prima facie evidence presented by Duff and Phelps was an error, he and his soon to be liquidated former club have nothing to worry about.
Cicero CSC.
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Philbhoy @ 11.28
The Old Post Office in Linlithgow is showing the game. Quite a few of the guys going along
traditionalist88 on 8 August, 2012 at 11:43 said:
good read, for what its worth i think we have seen the demise of scottish football as a result of the bigger clubs i.e. celtic and oldco rangers demanding too much of the commercial income from the league and the league being structured in such a way (4 x old firm games per season) to ensure those two teams alway challenge, with the gap between them and the rest increasing over the last ten years, while the league suffers from a lack of interest out with the big two.
the sooner the smaller clubs change the voting system to ensure fairer distrbution of commercial income the better for our league and the sooner football comes before money the better for all. its not to late to change scottish football for the better and to make sure that it thrives again. i look forward to the days when celtic are contesting the league with 2 other teams, when maybe an aberdeen hearts, hibs or dundee united are pushing hard every season. it many people think it can never be that way, i dont agree, i think with some changes based on footballing competition we could see that day and it could be sooner than we expect!
paul mcc
11:27 on 8 August, 2012
Can Someone Explain How Rangers FC Fielded Trialists in a Cup Match?
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1:There is no club called rfc capable of fielding ANY player as the club of that name was wound up some time ago.
2: So whoever played under that name was an imposter.
3: Whoever it was fielding trialists was doing so wholly illegally,but they did and they will get away with it because they arra peepil.
That is the nature of the beast in Scotland. And that’s fantasy football made reality.
The longer this is allowed to continue there will be no point in us screaming our heads off in a season or two when they are back in the spl,fixin’ matches,financial doping,and depriving all and sundry of whatever they can steal,while being licked all over by the slimy msm.
I have CelticTV and I buy merchandise from the club,and I go to Parkhead/Celtic Park when I’m in Glasgow,but I am finished with Scottish football. It will rot on the vine as more and more citizens realise exactly what is going on,and we’d be well served by getting out now while we can. Leave it any later and it’ll be seen as desperation. Do it now and it is an act of integrity.
bmcd
That’s where I’m going!
Im meeting my wife there for a meal, but she disney know the game is on!
There could be trouble ahead……………!
Hope you are well and maybe see you tonight!
C’MON THE CELTS!!!!!!
Ho come they are still playing in the same strip????
Same badge,same strip,,,i dont get it???
HH
new rtc blog
http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/digging-the-hole-ever-deeper/
Tom
could you paste the rtc article, can’t access it
Some excellent Olympic Tae Kwon Do bouts on sky ch 456.
Watching this has me itching to start back at training. Alas the ole gut is too big and the ole knees to knacked.
MWD
From RTC.
This week has seen strident denials from David Murray that Rangers have done anything wrong in paying 83 employees through the Murray Group Management Remuneration Trust (MGMRT). According to Murray: “No rules were breached or circumvented, and I reject and resent any suggestion that anything was done which amounted to cheating.” This blog-post will provide an illustrative example that demonstrates just how absurdly untrue Murray’s claim really is.
First a quick recap of the rules. For the MGMRT, an Employee Benefit Trust (EBT), to be operated legally for tax purposes, money is deposited in the trust by the employer. Thereafter, the employer must have no control or involvement in the disbursement of funds. Employees can then apply to the trust for loans. The loans must be discretionary i.e. contractual obligations or wages (of any kind) cannot be paid tax-free through an EBT. Any payment through an EBT for wages or other contractual obligations would be liable to tax. Paying wages or other obligations through an EBT without deducting PAYE & National Insurance is a breach of UK tax law and is illegal. HMRC has investigated Rangers’ use of the MGMRT EBT and found it to be a sham designed to avoid due PAYE & NIC. The Rangers FC plc (In Administration) appealed this determination and this appeal was heard by the now infamous First Tier Tribunal (Tax). Rangers FC (the oldco) was able to pay higher wages to sign and retain better quality players during the decade in which the scheme operated. In fact, had Rangers paid staff the same take home wage, the club would have had to find an extra £59m to pay tax on these wages legally. This much we have discussed many times.
The next rule in question is that of the Scottish Premier League (SPL). The SPL requires that all payments to registered players are declared in the contractual documents submitted to the league (and to the SFA). The seriousness of violating this rule has not, to my knowledge, been established in any previous cases. However, what cannot be sensibly questioned is that the combination of illegally using an EBT scheme to obtain a £49m advantage in paying for players and violating SPL rules on declaring payments to players is premeditated financial doping. The reason for not declaring the EBT payments in player contracts is that doing so would have caused the EBT scheme to fail immediately. Players and their agents are no fools and wisely would not trust the nods and winks of the shifty wide-boy types attracted to football club ownership. They insisted that promised payments were documented. These additional documents- side-letters, second-contracts… call them what you will- blow Rangers’ and Murray’s claims of innocence out of the water.
In a previous post, this blog attempted to help the SPL’s investigation team to establish a prima facie case against Rangers. Obviously, we have no way of knowing if this was helpful in moving this case along, but it might help the media and anyone investigating the case against Rangers if we provide a road-map to just one example of what really happened. Please note that this example has been selected for its clarity rather than the importance of the player. Many of the cases, especially the earlier ones when Rangers tended to be more concerned with obscuring their actions, are quite complex. The SPL’s investigators should ensure that they see the documentation referenced below.
Gavin Rae signed a three and a half-year contract with Rangers on 1 January 2004. This contract- the official one filed with the SFA & SPL- lists an annual wage of £260,000. Curiously, the contract does not mention appearance money or bonuses. On the very same day, 1 January 2004, Rangers provided Gavin Rae with a letter that said that money would be deposited in a sub-trust of the Murray Group Management Remuneration Trust on his behalf. These amounts total £336,000. The letter also said that Rae would receive £1,000 as an appearance fee for every competitive first-team game played. From February 2004 to July 2007, Rae received five payments totalling £336,000. He also received the following amounts through the EBT for appearances: £11,000 (2003/04); £8,000 (2005/06); £20,000 (2006/07). The appearance money matches his first team appearances for Rangers.
This side letter torpedoes the argument that these payments were not contractual. (A simple guide to contract formation under Scots Law can be found here. Short version: these letters form constitute a contract under Scots Law). This letter, and the others like it, demonstrate that Rangers used the EBT scheme to pay wages (appearance money) and contractual obligations related to employment. This is just one fragment of the masses of evidence that demonstrate that Rangers were “at it”.
The task for the SPL’s investigators is simple in this case. Obtain Gavin Rae’s contract as submitted to the SFA & SPL. (For fun, they can check that the date of execution and the base salary amount stated above). Next, they should demand to see Gavin Rae’s side letter. After that, the task is to review the actual payments. There will be a match between promises and payments.
The current PR campaign from Murray and other senior Rangers’ personnel who were beneficiaries of the EBT scheme, is designed to halt the sense of inevitability that was descending regarding amending the sporting record in Scottish football to reflect the cheating that took place between 2001-2011. All Scottish football fans- Rangers fans included- were cheated during these years. Do not believe the spin and dissembling from those who did most to damage Rangers and Scottish football.
stephbhoy
12:07 on 8 August, 2012
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Praiseworthy thinking and an optimistic outlook,but it’s not going to happen. We acquiesced to the template decades ago,we were slagged as paranoid when it was plain to see that rankers were up to their eyeballs in wrongdoing.
Now look at the frantic manipulation to get them back to cheating the life out of us and everyone else and ask yourself : is any of this real? Is any of this worth it? We are being duped and manoeuvered into HAVING to accept what is going down. This is masonic Scotland in action. They do not care….so long as we are shown our place in the scheme of things. This is not about football. This is about superiority. And even if it’s only window dressing it has to be seen to be believed. And that’s that.
It isn’t just Spanish Football which is heading south at an alarming rate, its most football in Europe.
The EPL has become a financial timebomb for the entire European Club scene. The reality is you cannot make a profit and win the EPL. Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd are proving that. In fact the only way to make a profit in the EPL is to own a London club that doesn’t have serious expectations about winning the League. Arsenal and Spurs being the case in point.
In Scotland we are used to this. Murray regularly lost over £20 million a year in achieving nothing other than winning the SPL against opponents who declined or were unable to indulge in such lunacy. We all know how that ended
I can’t help but think that the game plan for the owners of Man City and similar clubs is to be part of a franchise league for the top European Clubs. In Spain, there is only delight at finishing ahead of Madrid for Barca fans. Valencia and Seville are as relevant to Barca as hearts and Aberdeen are to Celtic
Thats not meant to be disrespectful. I would much rather we had a League in Scotland where any of 5 teams were potential winners. Thats only going to happen if we have a much bigger league with only 1 home and away game against each opponent, and even then it will take a financial redistribution to bring this anywhere close to reality
be in no doubt that Sky and the owners want a Europe wide franchise with probably 20 teams playing a 38 game league. The racing certs for invite are :
Barca
Madrid
AC Milan
Inter
Juve
Bayern
Dortmund
PSG
Man Utd
Man City
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool
That leaves 7 places for invite. Ajax, a Moscow club, Benfica and or Porto, Marseille, Fenerbache, Celtic and potentially Spurs, Schalke, Valencia . There could also be a radical move to invite a club from the Middle East and or China. The NFL is the benchmark for this type of league, and it makes money for all the clubs.
The investment by owners in England makes no sense, unless a franchise league is envisaged as the next step
Cheers Tom
Barcabhoy on 8 August, 2012 at 12:22 said:
Good article but don’t forget Man Utd were an extremely profitable club and regularly winning the EPL until The Glazers came along
That is a pretty damning post from RTC
Care to reply Minty, Walter, Eck?
Barca
The league needs derbies to succeed.
The Derbies are Barca & Madrid, Milan, Inter & Juve, Bayern & Borrusia, Man U, Man City & Liverpool and finally Chelsea & Arsenal. PSG ned a derby so bring in Lyon or Marseille. I’d say Ajax & Feynoord, and a portugese club is needed, so lets say Porto, Celtic would be a derby with all the English teams, invite a turkish team and two from Russia & Ukraine.
That would be a goldmine
Funniest named athlete ever. Just failed to qualify in pole vault: Kim Yoo Suk
greenjedi – They can pursue such a claim in a sporting court (ie CAS), not a legal court.
This will be a sporting claim regarding transgressions against sporting rules and the losses incurred as a result. If newco want to keep the sporting history, and the SFA ratify it, then bring it on.
I’ve long held that newco would be better served by leaving the whole history behind, formally at least.
MON THE HOOPS!
miki67 on 8 August, 2012 at 12:20 said:
cant disagree with anything you said, but if we cant see change from those in power to effect scottish football, then we would be as well closing the door on the way out and i aint for closing the door on the hoops
Only disappointment in RTC post is that he selected Gavin Rae and not Billy Dodds’ details.
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How do you comment or login on a iPhone..downloaded the google chrome app..
Still Nada
goldstar10
……..or the wee fat noxious one!
On Barcabhoys post I agree this Is what will happen In the future, money talks and there’s been whispers of this for a wee while now, I reckone we would be invited or there would be a second division where we would be guaranteed membership, It’s not just us that see’s our potential. My opinion Is that there would be two divisions of invites, this would mean promotion from second to first and relegation from top as only one league would be boring If your not at the top, relegation fights are exciting too. The clubs left behind In there leagues would play on as normal, on winning or coming second, third fourth depending on there country similar to the champs league qualification now they would then play In cup which ends in the last four or eight playing In a league where depending on how many get relegated from second division, that amount of places are available In this league for winning promotion to second. Just my opinion but I think would be good. If we’re In the second or first division playing against the quality we’d be up against and the money this would generate, we could become what we know we are capable of, maybe even one day winning the top league but the thought of having a season ticket and playing Europes elite very week Is mouth watering. Bring It on I say and quickly.
Hail Hail
greenjedi – no problem mate.
Barcabhoy on 8 August, 2012 at 12:22 said
think they would want double that figurefor euro league. i think maybe even 4 european regional leagues with then eurowide leagues i.e for top 2 or 3 teams, as there are to many big clubs to miss out
but i dont think it will happen anyway
Regarding the artificial pitch tonight, I’d hope that Lenny has had the team playing on one of the Lennoxtown pitches on a regular basis ever since we were paired against Helsinki, we should be used to playing this surface…….
No excusesCSC
stephbhoy
12:40 on 8 August, 2012
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I competely agree re. The Hoops,but what do we DO? We can’t sit idly by and let it all re-play out again like a mad footballing version of Groundhog Day.
I really am physically sickened by all of this.
HH !
Celtic F.C.- The worlds most successful living club. (formerly huns fc- love the queen but wont pay her) 12:44
Its probably been asked but Ive got to ask about your name.
How many European cups did your ‘formerly most successful club in the world win?
This has all now reached the dizzying peak of a mountainous,Orwellian paranoid nightmare. I am actually getting headaches from seeing the reality while being force-fed lies and having to witness football in Scotland being made an absolute mockery of while the msm chortle with unabashed glees as trfc rips up the rules as it goes merrily on its way creating the latest version of fantasy soccer,and the force with which it is being applied is affecting my health.
That is the impact of unchecked propaganda and brainwashing when you struggle against it in the full knowledge that no one is going to pull the plug on it any time soon.
Scottish football and its governance has become a truly sickening spectacle.
Those aren’t just words. Those are facts.
Bom dia,
Still no Celtic related news on the horizon here in Brasil.
Anyway, in one of my less lucid moments last night, I had a thought about the League systems in terms of how nto make Scottish fitba (in general, more attractive).
How about the team, which wins the SPL goes back to the 3rd Div the following season. This allows the team to effectively run two squads (league and European) and brings revenue to the bottom end of the League. At the end of the season there is a further mini League (something similar to the split) where the top five SPL and the previous year’s league winners, play off for the following seasons Euro places. This “play off” spot would be extended over three years (ie. the time required to climb from Div 3 back to the SPL).
As I said “one of my less lucid moments” but an interesting thought. No?
btw,and apropos of nuthin’ really,i like the new CQN streamlined layout,fonts etc.,.
notafraidofchange csc
Rioskorrie- what have you been smokin? ;/)
miki67
Perhaps you should try and take a step back from football for a year or two.
It shouldn’t be affecting your health in the way you say.
Do you have kids you can spend more time with?
Wnen I give my wee girl a hug I don’t have acare in the world.
Apologies, but in the discussion about tonight’s team, I’d totally forgotten how badly (well, not badly, but not great either) Kayal/Wanyama did for us in Europe last season as CMs. I’m inclined to go for broke tonight. 3-4-1-2: FF;VW,TR,CM;AM,PM,JL,EI;KC;GH,GS. No Scott Brown, but Paddy and Ledley work extremely well in 3-5-2 (more defensive cover).
4-4-1-1 still fine but 3-4-1-2 bettah.
I see Neil hopes Skoosh will “curb his enthusiasm”.
bournesouprecipe to the rescue. (thumbsup)
Summa of sammi
Should be down right hand side off ur screen
Philbhoy – There’s a lot more crazy than there is sane in the world. (thumbsup)
Id go for broke as well.
Tony Watt up front.
Or is he not in the European squad?