It’s been a fascinating day for Molde, who re-appointed former manager old Gunnar Solskjaer on a three year contract. The timing of this one is incredible, coming a few days after an international break, which would provide the perfect opportunity for the club to make changes and prepare for the challenges ahead.
After winning the league in 2014, their third Norwegian title in four years, Molde sit 7th with three games remaining. Recent form hasn’t been too bad. They have won each of their last two league games, scoring seven goals, and sit top of their Europa League group after drawing with Ajax. Interim boss, Erling Moe, had steadied the ship. You could argue he exceeded expectations.
Solskjaer won the first two of those titles, but his reputation faded in 2013, when an unknown young Stromdgodset coach stopped him winning three-in-a-row in 2013. He joined Cardiff City in January 2014 but could do nothing to arrest their slip into relegation and was sacked a month into their aimless Championship campaign.
He’s been carrying out various media and youth coaching roles since, waiting on the right job to come along. Molde have been looking for a permanent manager since parting company with Tor Ole Skullerud at the beginning of August. Solskjaer was reportedly their prime target back then but it looks like he’s held off until now, perhaps hoping for a gig in the well-heeled English game.
Apologies for the metaphor, but he dumped his girlfriend for a looker he knew from his student days, but who was way out of his league, so he soon found himself on the shelf. After spending months looking around he’s gone back to his old flame, who had let herself go but has got her act together in recent weeks.
I’m sure they’ll be very happy together. This is your time, Ronny. Beat them.
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“The Living Wage – Sack Lawwell – Sack the Board – Turn ALL Supermarkets into Foodbanks” – the ramblings of the so-called ‘Trust’ – just a bunch of malcontents and mischief-makers – say plenty and do nothing – why don’t they join the SNP….oops, they probable already have!!!!!
Philbhoy
From 2pm(ish) everything good here got a feeling Molde won’t score tomorrow as another slender 1-0 onslaught on the cards with wee Griff supplying the goal, law of averages we are due a Euro shutout
Hamilton Tim
Here is how it would work.
Celtic estimate the additional cost of paying a living wage for a year.
They spread that over say 40k ST’S.
Tell everyone the cost of that on an ST and charge it to each individual supporter.
That increases income that pays the living wage with no impact on other areas of operation
Call it the Living Wage supplement. It becomes annual exercise in affordability and is passed based on estimates at each AGM.
In practice I think it gets everyone of the hook whilst meeting the principles most supporters would agree with.
Sometimes it’s as important how you reach an objective as it is meeting it.
This issue should never have become one of division and I’m blaming no one that it has.
It just needs a different approach. Get a mandate from the folk who will have to meet the cost and are prepared to do it and Bobs yer auntie.
Auldheid on 21st October 2015 4:52 pm
I respect all you say – however unless irrefutable evidence can be gathered and presented, Celtic cannot proceed as you wish, even if they wanted to.
Hamiltontim – loads of good info on Celtic’s position there, cheers.
Auldheid already has his answer there – the bonus system being withdrawn will have paid for the uplift. The staff receiving the living wage have funded their own increase by no longer getting bonuses. You couldn’t make it up. Sickening.
In terms of your suggestion Auldheid about a levy so as not to affect other areas. with the greatest respect, away and have a lie down :-)
The Trust (and me on my lonesome) costed it. £200k per year or thereabouts. £4k a week or so. 20% of a Boerigter. The injured bit. Celtic has the budget but it’s austerity measures on these people while boardroom bonuses trip 7 figures.
BRTH, zero hours needs to be explored but temps and seasonality for casual work is not the focus of angst, or necessarily inappropriate for ‘zero hours’. Ticket office permanent or semi permanent staff however, that’s another thing and I’m appalled if what you say is true.
Auldheid
Really quickly.
The withdrawal of the bonus system effectively made the LW payments cost neutral.
Stopped subsidizing the SFA cartel (copyright MM), and not given them a penny of my money in nearly two decades now.
That saving, however modest covers my Celtic TV and an odd item of gear from the superstore.
Sorted.
Tore Andre, was the scourge of Celtic on his Rangers debut, marking his Ibrox debut after a £12m move with a goal during a crushing 5-1 Old Firm victory.
From The Herald.
Preferred the story of Alex McLeish shouting to him during a game,Warm up big man your coming off.
AULDHEID on 21ST OCTOBER 2015 4:52 PM….
Thanks for putting resolution 12 in layman’s terms, keep up the battle. HH
So we pay sub contractors the LW to pay they’r workers, we as in season ticket holders, seriously?
Or am I getting this wrong, as I said Celtic are paying their people that was the deal right?
Ohhhhh no it couldent be left at that could it, so let’s complicate it and get Celtic to tell the subcontractors to pay their people the LW, aye right good luck with that, if it’s the sub contractors you have a beef with deal with them, don’t drag Celtic into it, you’s just don’t know when to stop, I’v said it for years the trust will never be satisfied with ANYTHING Celtic do, it’s agenda after agenda, after agenda, like a spoiled kid, pay the LW that we are doing, now it contractors, sub contractors, zero hours, blah blah blah, talk about exhausting a cause and ripping the arse out of it.
Auldheid
and if the law finds favourably with regards Res 12 and the majority of shareholders do not wish to sue …what then ?
Would a ban from three years from European football for Sevco suffice in the PR battle ?
HH
Aw Naw
What say would DD have in it?
The resolution only enables investigations that could lead to legal recourse. It was not voted down which allowed those investigations to happen.
He has done nothing to stop them taking place. In fact one source said he was quite keen
But even if he did and tried to ignore clear evidence, how stupid do you think he is?
Aw Naw
Sevco are not the target so not sure if that punishment is even applicable.
The SFA and the culture that actively works against Celtic are.
Auldheid
I am not doubting his intelligence.
He may consider it to be not worthwhile to pursue for a plethora of reasons.
Yes I accept that it is a what if …what if… Scenario but wouldn’t it be a shame after alll the efforts THEY-HE stonewalled ?
HH
TD67
At the end of the day supporters pay the wages of Celtic employees. Same at all clubs.
I’m afraid you missed my point which is if the support as a whole want a Living wage paid they as a whole should know or agree where the money to do so is coming from.
That can take different forms but we should be making an informed decision as a club on what that form should be.
Auldheid,
Oh I sm well aware of it but if the plc were to pursue tbe fine work you guys have made it is still up to the SFA to investigate itself IF the plc calls them out on it. If they were too they would blame Sevco. Kangaroo courts and Kangaroo justice.
I like you do not give a flying frog about retribution. They are dead. I just want the SFA cleaned up and to start watching …before I die of old age…for the first time … A not so obviously bent competition.
A three year ban for Sevco not telling tbe truth and a lufetime ban for already retired SFA officials would suffice for those that may wsnt yo keep the status quo snd that inclydes our board.
HH
Good evening friends.
25 and a bit hours…
Specs lost
Aw Naw
There may be circumstances in which Celtic/DD could just walk away and let the support stew in it but I think it highly unlikely that course would not itself have consequences.
As I said I heard he was angry when given the detail.
He bloody well should be, he is being treated as the same mug as the rest of us.
Tony Donnelly
Would have to agree.
Why are the Trust focusing on this Living wage when they are already paying the living wage to their employees.
If they feel so strongly about this why don’t they lobby the government to raise the minimal wage to living wage? That way everybody pays the living wage. Problem solved. This is a governmental issue not a Celtic football club issue.
No doubt the next few weeks will see Celtic slaughtered in the press for this and probably the Remembrance day nonsense which is used every year to bash Celtic
MR PASTRY on 21ST OCTOBER 2015 5:08 PM
Auldheid on 21st October 2015 4:52 pm
I respect all you say – however unless irrefutable evidence can be gathered and presented, Celtic cannot proceed as you wish, even if they wanted to.
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Do you think what was posted is not evidence backed all the way?
I can undestand it being hard to believe but the evidence is there. The SFA are desperately trying to avoid looking at it.
Big game tomorrow.
In the interim CL tonight as a warm up.
Hoping we won’t have Graeme Souness in a studio in Dublin again tonight. Graeme was on TV3 last night to enlighten us all on the Arsenal v Bayern Munich game.
Tonight I’ll be mainly supporting MAlmo, PSG, CSKA, Benfica and Manchesity. Or even any 4 from 5 ;-)
I admit quite openly that when it comes to things like wages and working conditions I am something of a dinosaur.
Narrowly focusing on Celtic obscures the big picture surrounding the so called Living Wage, which even at its projected £9.00 per hour level is totally inadequate.
Like redundancy money and the minimum wage before it the concept of a legislated for Living Wage will simply backfire on those it is supposed to help.
Dundy money graduated from being a safety net for those facing unemployment to severance deals where never to be replaced jobs were, often understandably, sold off by individuals.
The Minimum Wage, as will the Living Wage simply became the going rate.
The real problem is not the payment or non payment of the so called Living Wage but, the lack of meaningful jobs.
An example of this was the recent disclosure that a hundred potential train driving jobs attracted up to twenty thousand job applicants.
Evening Timland from a warm hun free mountain valley.
clogher celt
Thanks for the posters, much appreciated.
HH
Hi auldheid could you please post your email again ( sorry ) for res 12.
HH
KTF
UTLR
Aulheid
Yes I get that, but as I said they got what they wanted, and now they’ve moved the goalpost, and as for Celtic to pay subcontracts to pay their workers, I’m afraid unfortunately that’s not on sorry.
Waiting for the PSG V Madrid game, doing a spot of ironing, as you do.
Anyway, my Ben Sherman polo pops up with the bye line,
“History is made and never bought”
Wonder if the ole Ben Sherman make is on any banned list?
Eurochamps67
I never realised that the LV is projected at £9 per hour, that would be just over 12 euros an hour, I bet the folks who work in the fields in 40 deg heat for less than 3 euros an hour wouldn’y mind money like that, all relative I suppose, when you are desperate you will do anything to look after your family.
BLANTYREKEV on 21ST OCTOBER 2015 5:08 PM
Hamiltontim – loads of good info on Celtic’s position there, cheers.
Auldheid already has his answer there – the bonus system being withdrawn will have paid for the uplift. The staff receiving the living wage have funded their own increase by no longer getting bonuses. You couldn’t make it up. Sickening.
In terms of your suggestion Auldheid about a levy so as not to affect other areas. with the greatest respect, away and have a lie down :-)
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/solskjaer-back-with-old-flame-after-over-shooting-with-looker/comment-page-3/#comments
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With the greatest respect you and HT are missing the point.
Supporters want the club to pay the living wage. We did not do that before so to do so is going to cost more.
That means either finding the money from other budgets which is what they appear to have done OR finding ADDITIONAL money.
It’s not rocket science.
As a matter of principle which is supposed to be driving this attempt to make Celtic live up to its ethos, how can it be right to expect others to meet the cost of something the majority appear to want? What kind of principle is that?
Now if your figures are correct and they feel right to me, how much would need to be added to an ST to meet the cost each year?
Sounds minimal but in principle it is the right thing to do, spread the load of providing something the support as a whole would wish to happen across the support as a whole.
We should be putting our money where our mouths are, not expecting someone else in some form to put their money where our mouths are.
If you cannot see the rightness of that then the motivations have to be suspect and so the cause of division.
Not clever if that is not the motivation.
Auldheid on 21st October 2015 7:01 pm
MR PASTRY on 21ST OCTOBER 2015 5:08 PM
Auldheid on 21st October 2015 4:52 pm
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I respect all you say – however unless irrefutable evidence can be gathered and presented, Celtic cannot proceed as you wish, even if they wanted to.
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Do you think what was posted is not evidence backed all the way?
I can undestand it being hard to believe but the evidence is there. The SFA are desperately trying to avoid looking at it.
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Apologies for not being up to speed on such an important issue, but what are next steps in this?
PROFESSOR GREEN on 21ST OCTOBER 2015 6:49 PM….
It took the board eight months to start paying the LW, whilst employees forfeit their bonus scheme.
As has been posted there is n guarantee the staff’s wages will continue be the LW.
Some of the sixteen to eighteen year old staff that work on the food kiosks in the stadium have told me (when asked) they get less than a fiver an hour…sorry, that should not be the Celtic way!
tonydonnelly67 on 21st October 2015 7:07 pm
‘as for Celtic to pay subcontracts to pay their workers, I’m afraid unfortunately that’s not on sorry. ‘-
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It’s not uncommon for responsible companies to stipulate that their subcontractors pay the living wage.
It avoids the mischief of the company simply saving money by subcontracting all the low paid jobs.
TD67
If it’s funded properly to meet the dignified principle of paying people a living wage, for me it should make no difference in principle whether they are direct or indirect employees.
It’s just a budgeting issue.
How much will it cost?
Can it be afforded?
Where will the money come from?
Explore options.
Make proposals.
Take a vote.
Pay or not depending on what emerges.
That it’s turned into a stick to beat ourselves up with is a cause of annoyance because a costed approach on which to base a decision would have saved so much grief.
Auldheid
Lets hope so.
HH
Quonno @ 7.05
The real problem is not the payment or non payment of the so called Living Wage but, the lack of meaningful jobs.
Agrees with this.
Awe naw must have nicked my specks ;)
TET,
No bother, I hope all is good.
Tony Donnelly67,
If you get a chance have a read through the Q&A Section of the Employers Guide to the Living Wage I posted at 3.33pm on page 2.
As I said, I don’t have all the facts on this and I would like to know what Hearts and Chelsea did in particular re sub contractors to achieve their accreditation.