Your reputation was dragged into the mud by Social Justice Minister, Humza Yousaf, MSP,on Twitter this morning. He wrote:
“On upcoming Celtic Vs Rangers match, we need clear messaging from everyone that fans must stay at home. If Police intelligence tells us, despite clear messaging, that groups of fans are going to gather to square off with each other, we need to consider if game should be postponed.”
“If Police intelligence tells us groups of fans are going to square off with each other” is his technique of throwing the blanket of blame over Celtic fans to prevent him addressing the threat of further social unrest head on. He feels safe saying adding “Celtic” instead of calling out the true problem. It is as spineless as it is unacceptable.
Be clear: there are absolutely no plans to postpone this game and there is no police intelligence that fans will square off. None. What there is, is a significant threat that the problems of last weekend are repeated on 21 March. As far as this SNP government is concerned, we dare not speak that problem’s name.
This has nothing to do with Celtic and nothing to do with Celtic fans but your government is happy to trash the reputation of both. He is toying with the reputation of the innocent and the occasionally vulnerable young. If a Celtic lad turned up wearing lipstick Yousaf’s head would explode.
A lead in the polls does not permit you a free kick at Celtic fans. Social Justice Minister, give me strength, you are contemptible.
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From the super spreader event on Saturday and Sunday with the Orcs it will be between 5 and 10 days before the true cost to society comes to the fore.
D :)
So when is your pal Peter going to do something about it? Putting it out on a blog read by a few Celtic fans ain’t going to stop the evening up and equivelance.
The barriers going up at Celtic Park, would point to the game going ahead, if it was cancelled, a dangerous precedent would be set.
AN DUN – I think my post has been misinterpreted 😄
I said that if we had won 10 iar, would anyone be concerned, would Glasgow be facing Armageddon?
Meaning I don’t think there would have been any trouble to compare to last week’s.
Though for sure, crowds would have been out, just as they were at Hampden for the CF, there would have been enormous GITRFUY parties, covid laws would have been broken. But without the hun thuggish element.
Saying that, I doubt the police would have allowed us to be escorted to George Square and stood back and done nothing while the partying got under way.
It would have been a case of kettling and truncheons at the ready.
James forrest
a few weeks ago you ended a post by saying
two down one to go
PL and NL going.
who is the one left to go?
hh
Or even GIRFUY 🙄
David 66
Disagree. Celtic are on a hiding to nothing with this game. Bounce it back to Scot Govt and SPFL/SFA: state clearly that unless they can guarantee safety of all players, staff and property then they should call it off. No lives or injuries are worth the aggravation.
HH
Celtic fans were unable to celebrate 9 in a row or a Quadruple Treble.
I don’t remember any violence in Glasgow after these trophies were won?
Celtic also sent out communiques asking fans not to break Covid rules and not to come to Celtic Patk, in the case of the Scottish Cup “ if we win”
There is no comparison, no OF
We’re not half of anything.
One club since 1888
Just wondering Paul67 – are you a unionist in disguise?
How can the justice minister not mention Celtic when he’s talking about a Celtic Rangers game? Unless of course he calls it the Old firm game. Which I’d imagine you would also have a problem with?!. SNP isn’t your enemy, prounionists are!
MO7 on 12TH MARCH 2021 1:43 PM
‘SNP isn’t your enemy’
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Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012.
Friesdorfer I agree but thats different from just saying we are not playing.
If we refuse to play the consequences could be huge for our club.
D :)
Celtic supporters aren’t allowed to celebrate or gather in Glasgow, when there isn’t a pandemic.
Chairbhoy @ 5.25 & 11.10 am
Now with all due respect your posts are riddled with lack of detail, examples…
Conflating the administration process with the liquidation process.
Raising the LNS Report, which was a SFA report drafted in April 2012 when you meant the SPL’s LNS Commission
Again, the accusations of unclear thinking and “conflating” subjects are being leveled against me without specifying where and how they are present in what I stated. You are right that I do find it pedantic to be accused of “raising” the LNS report when I should have stated the SFA’s report on the LNS Commision. I am also confident that every reader will take this as an example of pedantry too. But to counteract your pedantry, I will indulge in some myself. Conflating does not mean “confusing”; it means to fuse or combine. It happens a lot in posts where people are trying to get complicated ideas across in as few words as possible without betraying the meaning. I think I have a good grasp of the difference between administration and liquidation. You continue to make the accusation that I don’t but you refuse to provide the evidence of it.
Finally, my (lengthy) post is accused of being “riddled with lack of detail”. How do you translate that? Are there lots of generalisations without detail? What about all the detail I provided about previous administrations and liquidations in Scotish football? Did I ger any of that wrong? Can you corrrect any details? Important ones? Not the officail title of the LNS report (oops I did it again)
Again, I don’t feel educated or shamed by the responses you gave. To be honest, I feel patronised by someone who claims to know more than me and to have had a better moral response to events than me but cannot find the evidence to prove either of those assertions.
But I’ll recover, don’t worry.
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Now, back to the meat of the matter in your second reply:-
Newco don’t own any titles or trophies won lawfully or not, by the defunct oldco.
Rangers supporters will state, and may even believe themselves, that they have 55 titles because they are the same Club – that is not the case.
Rangers claim to have 55 titles comes from the oldco’s 54 titles and newco’s one title.
As the New Rangers are a continuation of Rangers as agreed in accordance to the 5 wa, then the total titles and trophies are added together.
I remain unconvinced by these conflated statements. We start with statement 1- our shared understanding that a club cannot claim to be a continuation of the old club just by buying trophies off them ( neither of us have answered the question of whether it is in the administrator’s gift to do so). Previously it was the SFA who transferred titles and trophies when a new club inherited the licensee of a defunct club- not the appointed administrators.
I have outlined the detail of how Airdrie United had the unwanted trophies of Clydebank, which they did not request or value, but did not have the trophies of Airdrieonians, which they did want but were specifically not allowed, by the SFA, to claim. Now that they are back to calliing themselves Airdrieonians and listing their greatest ever 11 including largely, players who played for the liquidated club, they still do not claim the trophies and titles won by their club in its first existence. So why can Sevco Rangers do this?
As your Statement 4 says, in muddying the waters, that the 5 way agreement allows them to “add together” the one title they own and the 53 and a half which they do not own. Nowhere on the Rangers site, on the SPFL site, on the SFA, UEFA or FIFA site’s is such a distinction made. They are, at least, colluding in the pretence of Continuity, or exercising a very willing attitude to not want to investigate the issue.
Sevco fans have lot of supporting evidence in the official records for believing the Continuity Myth has been accepted by all football authorities.
I do not accept this. I share the view of Auldheid, canamalar, Morrisey and BRTH that this needs to be opposed and exposed continually and I believe our club’s Board has been either collusive or cowardly in their response to this.
But I do not accept that there is a “woke” group of Celtic fans that posess this secret and a large group of ignoramuses that do not or are actively opposing it. And I certainly don’t place myself in either of these delusional positions. So I do not accept your characterisation of me or the caricature you made of my argument.
Same old same old, critique of SNP does not make you a unionist.
Being called a unionist for daring to critique merely pushes folk further away.
MO7
The point isn’t the name given to the fixture. No harm in mentioning the game.
It is the equivalences being drawn by him and other politicians trying to suggest that our supporters are in some way to blame for last weekend’s events and are planning to have a rammy with the huns next week that are the issue.
SNP politicians are, in my opinion, bending over backwards to avoid offending potential voters they might have or gain from the hun leaning / Celtic disliking sections of the community, without whom they will not be able achieve their goal of independence.
Paul
Sorry but that is dog whistle unionist nonsense.
There has been limited but enough misguided but idiotic nonsense online from supposedly Celtic fans about “defending the club”
This gives politicians of any colour the chance to play the OF card
To return to Tuesday, and as pointed out earlier by some, Davidson and Sarwar (Our chosen Protector !!! ) couldn’t bring themselves to mention the name of the G51 club.
Only Harvie and Rennie from opposition parties called out the Huns by name.
The anti Peter Lawell abuse is going over the top too. Like it was for Neil Lennon.
They come across, to me, more genuine Celtic supporters, both of them than those who stoop to online abuse and personal insults.
The huns hate both Peter and Neil…..go figure.
AN DÚN on 12TH MARCH 2021 1:07
Very good points👏👏👏
Ro
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To be fair to James Forrest, the blogger, his article on his own site about the Yousaf tweet is a lot more temperate and reasonable than how he comes across when he visits us.
I still think, he is far too ready to excuse the extent of whataboutery and equivalence in the statement, the kind of whataboutery that was missing from the reaction to Bolingoli and Dubai, but there is Social media evidence of a Celtic Group agitating to have Celtic fans defend the stadium on the 21st (or 21th as their poster has it). I have no idea if it is a genuine Celtic group or Fake News but it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that we could ahve some of our dafties willing to act on it.
I found Ian Bankier’s previous words more patronising than Humza Yousaf’s tweets.
I still agree that the SNP announcements have been incredibly lacking in even handedness but this tweet is amongst the lower end of the range and, on this ocasion, Paul’s blog leaader seems a bit of an over-reaction.
Eddy Walsh
@eddy_walsh
James Connolly in Union Square, NYC. May Day 1908.
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Criticism is necessary; abuse uncalled for.
aye am tellin ye agnes, you took a wrong turn back there
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Lambert
“Most Sevco fans I know said that having our accountant being the person dictating to the manager which players were being signed and picking the last managers backroom staff was eventually going to catch up with us..and they weren’t wrong.”
Yep, eventually, everyone who predicted our loss was right and , if it wasn’t this year, they would still have been proven right eventually. It was the safest of safe bets.
I may have a smaller circle of Sevco friends than yourself but the few I know are glad to see the back of Lawwell. Personally, I don’t care much either way. he’s just a man doing his master’s bidding.
I couldnt give a rats arse what huns think of PL or Neil in a professional sense.
ps,
how many trophies did those huns see their 2 teams win during Peters time ?
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 12TH MARCH 2021 2:33 PM
Lambert
“Most Sevco fans I know said that having our accountant being the person dictating to the manager which players were being signed and picking the last managers backroom staff was eventually going to catch up with us..and they weren’t wrong.”
Yep, eventually, everyone who predicted our loss was right and , if it wasn’t this year, they would still have been proven right eventually. It was the safest of safe bets.
I may have a smaller circle of Sevco friends than yourself but the few I know are glad to see the back of Lawwell. Personally, I don’t care much either way. he’s just a man doing his master’s bidding.
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Agree to a point.
Of course eventually we were going to lose the league and cups, but if we had signed the players that Rodgers wanted, rather than who our accountant wanted, then when Rodgers left replaced him with someone who commanded the same wage due to their skills, rather than a guy sacked from Bolton and Hibs, and said manager being allowed to pick his own backroom staff, rather than the accountants choices, then I would say with certainty that the shambles of this season would have been avoided.
Look SFtBs, I have no desire to do you down or feel superior on a subject, also I have no desire to get involved in a circular debate.
Yesterday you suggested I hadn’t made my position clear. OK I accepted that, half a dozen posts later I don’t.
So I’ll look at two examples and hope it clarifies my position on this once and for all
SFtBs @ 1:49 PM,
You are right that I do find it pedantic to be accused of “raising” the LNS report when I should have stated the SFA’s report on the LNS Commision.
There is no SFA report on the LNS Commission.
The SFA had the original inquiry into Rangers after the Club went into administration. It was headed by Lord Nimmo Smith, it focused but was not confined to Craig Whyte’s tenure, I haven’t read this. Despite indications from Stuart Regan that it would be, it was never published. In fact what happened to it and it’s contents is a bit of a mystery.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/whatever-happened-to-the-nimmo-smith-report-crosspost-from-the-scottish-football-monitor/amp/
The SPL LNS Commision was something quite different and it was this that let Rangers of the hook and attempted to put legal framework around the separation of Company and Club.
It is a seminal work in pseudo-legalise and obfuscation. I have read it’s conclusions many times.
It is a hugely important distinction if we want to tackle the cheating, corruption and continuity myth.
I enjoyed your piece on the administration and insolvency around other Clubs. Being an Airdrionian and having a Papa, Mother and many friends and relatives who were fans it was a tough one.
But not relavent to the Rangers’ situation. Rangers did not follow any due process in respect of football governance.
The process that the Authorities used to ensure continuity from oldco to Newco was flawed to the point that, in my opinion, it was illegal.
The clause that the SFA used in it’s articles of association was supposed to prevent the transfer of membership from one Club to another to avoid debts and insolvency, it was misused by the SFA to transfer the membership from oldco to Newco.
I wrote an e-mail to Stuart Regan in 2012 to clarify that this clause was actually used, he responded and confirmed it was.
The continuity myth wasn’t accepted by football authorities, the continuity myth was created by footballing authorities.
To properly challenge these authorities you have to be well briefed on your subject.
We as a support are not…
This is just one reason why Rangers are running us ragged; on the pitch, in the football management and coaching, in the Boardroom, on the footballing official front, on the political front, on the streets of Glasgow and on and on…
You think Rangers statement on the two halves of the old firm wasn’t a GIRUY to the Celtic Board, who, because of their collusion are totally impotent.
They are trying to get their boot on our necks, once they do, they won’t ease off.
Hail Hail
29 trophies won during his tenure, with profits mosts seasons and a bank balance pre covid of £30m , I can see what the owners were happy with him till now.
We can’t pull out of the hun game. The polis nor the government can allow a repeat of last weekend. There is an upcoming election. There will be an army of cops there…and the media will be there also, cameras pointing, waiting for battle to commence. Let the hun fight among themselves. They’re good at that…
We must end their winning run.(I’m referring to the fitba)
SAINT STIVS on 12TH MARCH 2021 2:39 PM
ps,
how many trophies did those huns see their 2 teams win during Peters time ?
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Did the old club not win 3 league titles on the trot?
The first one was the Willo Flood transfer window when we were crying out for a centre forward to get us over the line.
Huns loved the failure that Lennon was and were desperate for him to continue as manager.
Awe FFS lambo14, PL didnae sign the players that the mendacious one wanted as his boss told him not tae as he has already stated that they knew for about a year he was for the Joe the toff.
Some think the SNP Cult are pandering to the establishment club & culture now…..just wait to see the extent to which they would pander in the event of independence.
This populist nationalist cult would need the full backing of the majority in the new de-facto bankrupt Scotland in order to govern. Who are the “majority”?, you don’t need three guesses.
Those deluded souls within our 17% who have been conned into voting SNP cult & long for independence, will damn themselves & the rest of us, to have the nationalist boot on our throats for ever more.
Our schools, culture & who knows maybe our football club will, in time, be erased from NATIONALIST SCOTLAND.
St Stivs
I have 30 million sitting here gathering dust.
How do you fancy halving it?
Just send me you account details.
30 million whits ? fag coupons ? huns tears for the last 12 years ?
TONTINE TIM on 12TH MARCH 2021 2:48 PM
Awe FFS lambo14, PL didnae sign the players that the mendacious one wanted as his boss told him not tae as he has already stated that they knew for about a year he was for the Joe the toff.
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Eh?
Good banter pal