I know there’s been widespread criticism of many in the media for not confronting former Rangers EBT beneficiaries, now working alongside ‘proper’ journalists, for not holding ex-players to account for the enormous sums of money diverted from the tax man. I’ve spoken to a few journos who have tried to make headway on this story but been denied comment, access, or even contact details from colleagues.
The defensive line on not discussing this subject was originally “My EBT was legal and is a private finance matter”. This changed last year when these EBTs were found to have broken tax laws at appeal, when the line was changed to “This is a private finance matter which is subject to appeal”.
All fair enough. A consequence of the original legal status and ongoing appeals is that no one has broken ranks on those responsible for imposing this state of affairs on a football club, the tax man, or individual players.
The Daily Record today report HMRC are pursuing players for the payment of tax on EBTs. My understanding is that many (if not all) players received a letter from the “Club” indemnifying them from tax. Watch how quickly you’re told “Not this club, it was the club that died”.
You’re going to need patience for this one, it could have years to run, but I expect ranks will break eventually.
You can read subtext, can’t you? The Times report today that Celtic and the SPFL have written to the Scottish Government telling them to keep their noses out of the running of football clubs. This was after the Government responded to pressure from Celtic to repeal the Offensive Behaviour at Football’ Act by hitting them on a subject they knew would cause conflict with some fan groups.
Push on the Offensive Behaviour Act and watch what happens with the Fan on the Board issue which you enjoy so much but seemed to have lost momentum.
Politics is a dirty business. All this to deflect criticism of an ill-conceived, ineffective, bad law, instead of just repealing it, which will happen as soon as we no longer have a majority government. Anyway, Don’t Blame Me…….
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TBB
The reason I asked was cos I didn’t understand, and having read your answer, I still don’t.
Thanks anyways :-)
HH
TBB –
Had I known I’d have skipped forward rather than scrolled back. I really wish I hadn’t scrolled back. Laters….
greenin….,
I remember getting chastised for one of my alternative expressions only to be called a prick within two posts and not a word, damn miffed was I, but the piper calls the tune and I expect no less than a a reprimand.
While I’m at it I would like to apologise to those good fellows of the blog who did not need to suffer my indiscretion, sometimes my knitting gets so twisted I just scweem and scweem with frustration, sorry ghuys, ghals and bhaby celtic supporters I let my emotions get the better of me.
Maybe time for a sabatical.
Prestonpans Bhoys..I have NEVER listened to Clyde…I prefer my emails, tweets, texts etc to be ignored by a nation-wide panel of clowns. I am usually writing some of my own drivel while it is on in the background and I try and get at least one sarcastic comment off on each subject.
It is not the worst show on the radio, but coming third behind the weather and shipping forecasts is probably not what they are aiming for. I may have told them that as well! :)
Coming from an Opus Dei background, self flagellation is in my genes….and my jeans.
Hail Hail
Matt
Clogher/Mahe
Re Rebel songs in Dublin Pubs
Storm in a teacup I would imagine
Some pubs cater for and encourage all types of singing/music
Others strictly forbid any type of singing ( The Gravediggers in Glasnevin where I spent some quality time with many on here for instance doesnt allow any form of singing,still a great pub)
Some pubs possibly have a political agenda against rebel songs,but they would be few and far between.
I think
WITS
I also believe that the Celtic Trust, have an influencing machine hidden somewhere down a dark lane in Glasgow.
As we speak, they are pumping out a strange miasma that overcomes the rational mind.
Ask James Tilly Matthews, and Fu Manchu.
Its all true i tell ya:)
HH
The Green Man
Agreed
and I think the scoundrels have kidnapped Tony Donnelly
He is bound and gagged in a basement in the Gorbals right now,being brainwashed in the teachings of Chairman Mao
If I remember correctly Celtic were all for Paul McBride being vocal about the Offensive Behaviour Act to stop Celtic supporters singing IRA songs. What changed?
WITS
I believe they call them ‘The Air Loom Gang’
World domination by magnetic waves.
Im shutting my windows and putting my tinfoil hat on….just in case:)
HH
WITS
I think you’ll find it is not Mao, but Chairman Matt
Hail Hail
Matt
MATT STEWART on 31ST MARCH 2016 6:51 PM
Prestonpans Bhoys
Just tweeted them with a question that ‘if they go up, will they come straight back down?’
Don’t think that will be chewed over.
I think I’ll follow that up with two questions…..’what happens if there’s a second liquidation event before then?’
and
‘is there a cure for apoplexy?’
Corkcelt
Rainbow of people and opinion last Sat at the Hootenanny and no major squabbles. The internet is just scribbling on a bog wall.
Not to be taken to heart
Hail hail
Mags,
being told to sing the songs in an appropriate place, such as a bar or a club was ok, might have had people thinking, ok then that’s what I’ll do, and did.
they harmed the club :)
BRTH @ 18:02 – possibly the best post I’ve read on cqn this year.
Many thanks.
Hail hail
Politics is a dirty business. All this to deflect criticism of an ill-conceived, ineffective, bad law, instead of just repealing it, which will happen as soon as we no longer have a majority government. Anyway, Don’t Blame Me…….
Paul, No argument that politics is the dirtiest of businesses. It being so, I wouldn’t be so sure that the absence of a majority government, presumably of any political complexion, will guarantee the repeal of the OBA. It is not unknown for politicians to change their tune following the transition from opposition to government.
Despite some of its members being against Thatcher’s anti Trade Union legislation whilst in opposition, in thirteen years of untrammelled power, Labour changed not one comma of it.
Similarly, whilst in opposition there were Labour MP’s whose conscience would not allow them to support a Tory led war against Iraq. Later in government they had no problem supporting Tony Blair in a war against the same Iraq.
Possibly some cosmetic amendment to the OBA. Outright repeal. Don’t hold your breath.
WITS,
can you get halal vegetables ?
Bashi-Bazouks from previous article.
Apologies for the late reply. Pesky work called.
Great post and to reitterate what others have said ” Don’t be a stranger ”
I still think we need as many lurkers as possible to have their say. It is always better to hear the voices of the many not the few.
I do wonder though; has the last 7 pages helped that goal ???????
Hail, Hail to all, and especially to those who are lucky enough to be in Paradise this Saturday.
Oh wait, I forgot about saudi’s
Brogan at 6.54, thanks for that explanation about shareholders with a small shareholding.
I agree that the current PLC model could be improved to hopefully involve more shareholders.
Thank you also for the explanations with regard to Resolution 12. It certainly has helped me a great deal in my understanding of what had and is happening
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 31st March 2016 7:11 pm
My post was just a joke, intended to relieve the 400-psi pressure that was building on the blog.
No need for a sabbatical FFS. This place is being poisoned by Level 5 stooges and hun shitbubbles. Last thing in the world that’s needed at this time is a retreat.
KTF
The two articles by Hugh Gallagher about Stevie Murray and Brian Mclaughlin , were very good reads.
Thank you, Hugh.
WITS
Thanks for putting me straight on the Celtic Trust.
I had heard that they were preparing motions to encourage the board to allow a naked zumba class to take place during a game at least once a month. A certain section of one stand would be exclusively reserved for uptempo lateral movement which would involve stretching, co-ordinated bunny hops and each row in turn performing the plank.
At the current time, only health and safety at Celtic park have approved the plan, although the security guys say they may welcome the innovation provided they can install more secuity cameras to film the entire event.
Other clubs have been reticent. Some have pointed out that this section would be directly behind one of the goals and that for at least 45 minutes their time may well be distracted and denied clear goal scoriong opportunities.
Leigh Griffiths has been very enthusiastic as it presents him with plenty of scoring opportunities.
Ian Bankier has said that he will be “very disappointed” in the support if they go for this sort of thng and Peter Lawwell is not for anyone losing pounds of any sort within the stadium as that might damage his reputation.
One club, which shall remain nameless, has asked if their fans could join in when visiting Celtic park but have added a caveat saying that some of their support may well not want to go fully naked and have asked if they would be allowed to keep their sashes and brown brogues on.
P67
I’ll take a yellow for “shitbubbles”.
Evening…fairly lively tonight….saw advertisement “our pies are pure mince” written on side of delivery wagon the other day….brilliant..
Paddy T
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma on 31st March 2016 6:02 pm
Very good post. Thanks.
It highlights to me something that I think has been missing from the Res 12 journey; good communication.
You have outlined that the decision to “adjourn” Res 12 was made ahead of the AGM. That astounds me. I went to that meeting expecting to hear a discussion of the issues. I understand that if it had gone to a vote then it would have been voted down, but I think the way forward would have been different if that had happened.
However, when Morrissey stood up and proposed the adjournment, my reaction was “NO; It is being kicked into the long grass”, and I voted against the adjournment.
Now 2 1/2 years on I find out this had been agreed in advance. That there was a good reason behind the tactic. Why was this not communicated at the time? I’m not saying I agree with the tactic, but finally I understand it.
I asked a couple of weeks back to see what questions had been sent to the SFA by Celtic (the SFA having refused to answer question from Celtic shareholders) and what answers Celtic had received back. I struggle to understand why the questions and answers cannot be shared. I think this is about good communication just as you did at 18.02.
At what point will you Res 12 bhoys give up on the current strategy – Shareholders -> Celtic -> SFA -> UEFA?
Is there a plan B when the you come up against the UEFA brick wall, or is that the end?
I really do admire what is being done and have no idea where the money (or time) is coming from for solicitors etc.
TIA
Well good evening. Every day it seems brings more intrigue.
Let’s forget about the red squirrel of EBTs and concentrate on the meat.
The battle for the truth, lies and misinformation and misdirection. Wow cqn has it all.
Firstly it seems that Celtic are very keen to help write letters to the Scottish government about pesky fans getting far too much influence. The daily record of course span the story as they always do to paint Celtic as worse than others but there is no doubt they did.
But they won’t write to UEFA to sort out cheating.
Priorities eh. Tsk.
I loved this quote
Celtic’s supporters are the lifeblood of the Club. We already enjoy very close, regular and meaningful liaison with our supporters through various means and in fact, as we stated in our submission, we positively encourage supporter involvement and engagement.
I think that statement can be filed under “total bolloks”. I seem to remember just recently at an agm that pesky fans petitions where called racist. That’s what I call encouragement.
Now for Paul. We have the most magnificent spin ever. The govt are err threatening Celtic with imposing supporter influence cos Celtic have publicly come out against the OB. Wow. Now that’s supposition.
I am no fan of this facist Scottish government and been less a fan of the OB. It’s great that Celtic very rarely come out and say they don’t like the OB but let’s face it they aren’t doing anything more about it. Incidentally I do agree that the Scottish govt should not be using Scottish football as an err political errr football. But for Paul to suggest we get behind Celtic as they are fighting the cause for the OB isn’t just insulting everyone’s intelligence.
Like I said yesterday man Celtic are rattled.
But Celtic supporters are now presented with more evidence of Celtics contempt for its support. They won’t write a letter or get involved in res 12 but they will to stop more supporter influence.
Spin that.
physalis
Greenin…,
I know, but lionroars67 I know is a good Celtic supporter who actually goes to games and development games, became a holy willy today , I’ve seen him on here get tore in during political debates, and I really don’t want to be polarising like that or giving the opportunity to like likes of big nan to make up wee lassie story’s that try to compromise the integrity and unity of everyone who supports pushing through res12.
Kill ultra and patsy are no even Celtis supporters so I really don’t give a funkeys muck about them.
GREENINBINGLEY
Hear,hear. Too many quality posters even to mention have chucked it.
BRTH
Great stuff from you this evening.
Your typing finger must be worn down to the knuckle.
And Corkcelt … Get yet bahooky back on this blog.
VIP
Heard a zombie zoomer on snyde responding to gerry minestrones comments about the tetrapak cup being a wee Diddy tournament
Said that winning that would be an achievement as celtice have never won it . And that after 3 years of entry in the tetrapak getting to the final and winning it was all part of ” the journey ” since they were relegated .
Fly on derrys wall …. who’s wall would you most like to be a fly on when the bailiffs arrive to seize possessions to cover the ebt tax non payments.
It would be a huge boost to our players if the crowd on Saturday back the players from the first whistle to the last.
The ref is that Madden character and if he refs like he did previously at Celtic Park , let’s just say, the Hearts players’ ‘enthusiastic’ tackles will be tolerated by him .
TBJ
Got to be Barry Fergushun.
Cannot wait tlll his greetin bankrupt interview in the DR.
‘Its no fair says Scoddland Leg end Barry’ by Keef Jackass.
HH
Jungle Jim, Haven’t flounced from blog just from the politicos will be back for Live Updates thread Saturday.
Celtic Shares and Nominee Accounts
Those with shares in Nominee Accounts have 3 ways that enable you to exercise a vote:
1. Get the broker to appoint you as their proxy for the number of shares for which you are the beneficial owner. This will allow you to attend the meeting.
2. Get a “letter of representation” from the broker in respect of the number of shares for which you are the beneficial owner. This will enable you to attend the Meeting and vote as if you were the owner of the shares at that meeting. The letter will allow you to attend the meeting.
3. Vote via a mechanism that some brokers have introduced where you can notify them how you wish to vote and they will submit a proxy form to the company (instructing the Chairman how to vote on their behalf). This does not allow you to attend the meeting. Only a few brokers offer this voting facility.
The bottom line is don’t buy shares in Celtic via a nominee account. You want to be on the share register. It might cost more, but get hold of a certificate in your own name.
Terje…,
Every step as been updated on here and previously PhilMac’s site, the adjournment was explained on both at the time, the problem with communications is that not everyone paid attention, hence not understanding the implications of the decisions made, some may have been unaware but the info was all made public.
There’s also those who read and didn’t like/understand what was happening, CST for example.
But the long and short is, the information has always been available to those who asked, as big nan knows, those who didn’t ask either paid attention to our updates and accepted when there was something to share we’d share, or weren’t that interested and would never accepted what was being shared was the truth, no worth bothering about IMO but BRTH and Auldheid tried their best to satisfy the doubters, me, well you know what I’d have told them don’t you.
JungleVIP
Some roaster on here earlier saying he knew you
Blinking trolls eh. ;-)