Our best wishes to Jos Hooiveld, 28, who has managed to resurrect his career at Southampton 23 months after completing an unsuccessful move to Celtic. Southampton, newly promoted to the English Championship this season, sit top of the division, with Jos a key part of their success.
The big defender clearly has more than he was able to demonstrate during his time here, despite Celtic clearly being in need of a strong central defender. Last night, after Georgios Samaras was send forward to lead the line, it occurred to my just how unsuitable he is as part of a front two. All that gutsy energy, running and yes – bravery – both in terms of diving into challenges and always being available for a team mate, no matter what feedback he is receiving from the stands, is hidden when he’s up front.
Give him space to gallop into on the wing or let him find his own Southampton.
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On Craig Whyte:
To me this all seems fairly straightforward. The SFA are carrying out an invesitagion, which should give you a fair idea of how they view the “five year rule.” It’s clear they believe it commences from the moment a ban ends, or else why are they even bothering to ask for details? All the details are contained in both Rangers statement and in the BBC documentary. It is clear what the SFA wants is an explanation of what it was not disclosed before now, and when Rangers give them that answer they will proceed with some form of action against them.
It is unclear what kind of action that will be. There doesn’t seem to be anything in the rules outlining punishments, but something important to consider here is that this is not a footballing issue but a licensing issue, with repercussions for the SFA that go far beyond the football field. UEFA also have a stake in this one, as they ultimately have their own licensing responsibilities, and they could not be idle in even the SFA refused to do something.
Anyone who thinks this will simply go away, think again. It’s clear the SFA have either been grossly derelict in their duty to investigate or they are complicit in an effort to cover up the facts. In either case, they need to act if they are to save themselves from serious questions and big trouble. The other possibility is that they were duped, that Rangers and/or Whyte lied to them in their submissions before being granted a license, which means this can of worms aint even half open yet.
This does not end well for Rangers, or Whyte, or the SFA, in any of those cases. This one, people, is not going away and it presents a hundred more questions, such as if Rangers lied about this, were they completely honest in their other licensing submissions? If the SFA did not ask too much, or dig too deep, in this case, or ignored what they found, how do we know they did their due diligence in other matters, like Rangers eligibility for a UEFA license?
No, this is only the start of this story. It’s going to expand, and then explode.
TopCorner 19:00
Aye, see your point, was thinking that, defender doing well for a top team in the Championship would cost us £3-4m, but given the dead wood we have anything over £1m Id say was good business.
Celtic Mac 19:09
Ha, hes a centre forward…
EN
Declan
you have a great name and while QueenLuBo and I have been dining in the finest venison and boars head with the finest of French wines, you have the audacity to call me names!
Monarchist me and my Queen — never.
Anyway I ‘m sure Just call me Dave, Cameron knows all the rebel songs and has hunners of Tats, does not make him a Tim. Are you sure you are who you say.
To prove it just send me a cheque for £5000 payable to KINGLuBo or even my Queen and I’ll believe you
Fair e’nuff, eh
KINGLuBO
What`a all this about the SFA and Rangers ” Not Proven”? According to the lead item on BBC Scotland at 6.30, the SFA were looking into Whyte`s directorial disqualification/fit and proper and, if found guilty, they will take sanctions against the Club.
Were did the Not Proven thingy come from?
JJ
I’m sure MON will be the Sunderland manager. He was a Sunderland supporter when he was younger and I’m sure I read somewhere that he still had a massive soft spot for them. I doubt if he’ll be beating a path to CP to sign any of our players apart from big Sammi ;-)
Hail! Hail!
JJ the “Not Proven” is a p!$$ take. It’s based on that bampot that attacked Lenny
Jungle Jim says:
1 December, 2011 at 19:19
Think its a wee joke mate,wee dig at jurors in Edinburgh.Could be wrong though.
Hail hail gents , haven’t been on in a while , lurking but not had time to engage in conversation , but need your help. Myself and the missus have season tickets and gave them to our sons ( who are Celtic daft and go to lots of games ) for the orcs game on 28th but two of their Celtic supporting friends friends wanted to go after listening to us talk about atmosphere against the Huns game. Anyway they told me too late to get the extra tickets deal for season books, I told them I’d get tickets, which I did , they then booked their fights but I was let down with tickets. They are very well mannered respectable youg men and would not embarrass any one, so pleeeeeeeeeeese can anyone help me out with any spare tickets for sale. I would be more than glad to reciprocate the favour with our tickets for other games . Free of charge. Thanks in advance.
Hopefull
From London
Declan ,Declan — You’ve been outed. Try FF
Peace my friend
KINGLuBO
Whitedoghunch (or other hotel experts)
I seen an exchange recently where you mentioned never to pay stated room rates. As a frequent traveller I usually use hotels.com or last minute. If I fancy a hotel could you explain in guide for dummy’s form how to go about getting a good deal ??
Much appreciated
One question about big sammi:
Why is he so scared of sticking his boot-laces through the ball???
Never seen a player side foot shots so often in all my life!
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
James Forrest.
Good stuff as usual James.
A wee question, what licence are you refering to ?
James Forrest is Lennon says:
1 December, 2011 at 19:16
Cant see it myself – guess I am used to seeing them wriggle off the hook again and again and again
The Token Tim 19:26
Agree, he seems to give up on the whole move just a split second before the shot, at least twice leaning back before the shot last night. Did you see John Higgins was on the LostBhoys podcast this week, very good show.
EN
Kojo
Thank you very much for your reply yesterday and for your kind words in the post. I’m not willing to go into debate about our views. Let’s leave it as it is. Your opinion on discussed matter is yours, as valuable as everyone’s else.
pog and passion,
Thanks. I was hoping it was that but Scotland being Scotland, I wasn`t sure !!
JJ
James Forrest is Lennon says:
1 December, 2011 at 19:16
I would love to think that the licensing issue would bring about that which we would wish to see however: remember the SFA banning wor boss for fourteenty years of some such nonsense, only to be told: haud on, your rules actually state that he’ll serve both punishments concurrently?
Such loose wording has worked in our favour before and despite the SFA, erm, ‘demanding’ answers, I’m sure the answer they’ll receive from some lawyer (presumably on a no-win-no-fee basis) will be to the tune of: he was disqualified 11 years ago and as such has nothing more to add.
Where it goes from there will depend much on the SFA’s willingness to see who blinks first.
(my money is not on the SFA)
James Forrest is Lennon says:
1 December, 2011 at 19:16
I sincerely hope you are correct.
Can you clarify the period of whyte’s ban, did it last for seven years from when it was imposed in 2000?
Can you clarify also does the five year exclusion prevent him in this case from holding a post until 2012, which is five years after the ban expired?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Forget… ‘The Hooiveld – Samaras point’!
The big talking point should be ‘The Clarkson Issue’…
in that I mean…
…Is it Christmas????
…And does he have a book to sell???
ps
Samaras has always been a great big shining star in my eyes. The 2nd most talented player we have had on our books in years!
…and 235k between now and 2015?
hardly worth the bother !
…should have been at least another mill, if not 750k !
they get to the Prem, they’ll have 60mill, ch-ching !
rail-light dobbery
Over…and…Over says:
1 December, 2011 at 17:35
Bring Me The Heid of Thunder Crap Reid says:
1 December, 2011 at 16:33
Why are you talking to your ‘doopleganger?
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) says:
1 December, 2011 at 19:43
Was thinking exactly the same thing when I read the tweets about it.
Was Jungle Jim not a Harry Enfield character???
as in ‘The name’s Jungle Jim, nice but dim!’ ;)
dirtymac
The blue top disny suit you btw :>)))
Evening All,
Neil talking about Beram……
Celtic manager Neil Lennon has hailed the courage of Beram Kayal following criticism of the midfielder’s role in their defeat by Atletico Madrid.
The Israeli appeared to duck to avoid the strike from Arda Turan that gave the Spaniards a 1-0 victory.
But Lennon said: “Beram doesn’t duck out of anything. To accuse him of that is ridiculous.
“Beram is one of the bravest players I’ve seen in quite a while and he puts his body on the line for the team.”
Lennon said after the Europa League match in Glasgow that he thought Kayal had misjudged the flight of Turan’s fierce strike.
And he repeated that assertion, adding that Kayal was one of the best players on show during the game.
Kayal has dominated the back pages in consecutive days, with the “ducking” incident, following his claims that Celtic were the best team in Scotland.
But Lennon had no problem with the player for backing his team-mates and believes the reporting may have been skewed.
I’m not going to berate Beram for doing an interview and then for people to put their own slant on it
“The headlines are par for the course,” explained Lennon.
“I’m quite comfortable with Beram. I don’t think he’s the kind of lad to come out and boast about things or taunt people.
“He’s a very well grounded individual. I think some people have added a little salt and vinegar on the story.
“I’m not too sure he said all of that. I think what he meant was that he believes we have got good players and a good team.
“But we have to go out and prove that.
“I’m not going to berate Beram for doing an interview and then for people to put their own slant on it.”
Mac
No doubt the SFA will find Whytey to be a fit and proper person after giving him 20 mins on a treadmill and determining that he is made from flesh and blood. Criteria satisfied. Nothing to see here now move on.
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The Token Tim 19:26:
Samaras is of the footballing academy that precludes him from putting his laces through the ball. I actually agree with the teaching of his footballing academy. Whilst I would not say he is world class, I think he is a very skilful player and believe in the way he tries to pass the ball into the net…alas he does not have a higher percentage strike rate. I love watching players, whether it be Samaras or not pass a ball into a net, it just looks classy and natural.
From somebody who has never played the game I just love watching fast, flowing one touch football with a pass into the net most of the time. Perhaps I live in the wrong country…
When I watched Samaras score against Kilmarnock on his debut, I thought now there is a footballer.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
THE EXILED TIM says:
1 December, 2011 at 19:47
Turquoise, I’ll have you know.
Lennybhoy and others:
As Brogan Rogan has pointed out, the SFA regulations relate to their legal responsibilities as a licensing body. Those are non-negotiable.
Whyte’s ban began in 2000. Paul McConville has already stated, clearly, that a seven year directorial ban does not arise out of a mere technical error or minor matter; there was an egregious, and deliberate, wrong doing on Whyte’s part in the case for which he recieved that ban. There is also much evidence which suggests he continued to act as a director of various companies in spite of it, but those allegations are part of what he is suing the BBC over.
What is not in dispute is that the ban ended in 2007 and the SFA regulations say you cannot have served a ban in the last five years if you are to pass the fit and proper person test, which they, as a licensing authority, are obliged to apply here.
The debate over whether that five year term applies to the moment the ban started or when it ended is ludicrous. The SFA themselves are making it clear it is a reference to when the ban ended. How can it not be? That ban ran from 2000 – 2007. In the event the rule refers to the start of a ban consider this; had Whyte bought Rangers in 2006, he would have PASSED the fit and proper person test despite STILL BEING BANNED …. To my eyes, this is simple and straightforward. Whyte should not have been able to play a role at Rangers until next year at the very earliest, and only then after a robust SFA investigation into his background and business dealings.
The SFA have serious questions to answer here. Did someone fall asleep at the wheel? if they did, how do we know this is the only time? Did they deliberately look the other way? Only a fool would believe it was the first time, or only time, if that is the case? Or were they lied to, and duped themselves? Only a fool, in that case, would not be studying EVERY submission Rangers has made on a licensing issue in the last ten years if they lied about this.
There is no easy way out of it.
Looks more like crushed sky to me :>)
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS says:
1 December, 2011 at 18:35
I heard Clarkson on the radio once claiming that at school he was diagnosed as clinically thick .
He said that his mother went to extreme lengths to prove he was dyslexic not stupid.
Now, dyslexia is a very serious condition which can blight a person’s life.
But it is not unknown for well-heeled parents to bully professionals into a mis-diagnosis of dyslexia when the child is clearly suffering from dimness.
Clarkson – dyslexic or dfat? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh.
James Forrest
I understand, but what licence are you refering to re Craig Whyte ?
Beep-de-beep-da-beep-da-beep beep beep
Sfa announce their decision regarding the appointment of Craig whyte at Snake Mountain.
TFOD hordes found guilty and banned from using ketchup on broxi burgers for 2 weeks…….
More soon, move along Timmy, justice has been served.
Beep-de-beep-da-beep-da-beep beep beep…
James Forrest sums up my view on this when he says: “In the event the rule refers to the start of a ban consider this; had Whyte bought Rangers in 2006, he would have PASSED the fit and proper person test despite STILL BEING BANNED …. To my eyes, this is simple and straightforward.”
That is unarguable.
Having said that I do not doubt that lawyers and Ranger’s apologists will argue otherwise. It’s what they do. Divert the discourse but it seems very straight-forward to me.
Consider a similar hypothetical with a taxi company that won’t hire drivers for 5 years after they are banned. Would a driver banned for life get a job with them after 5-years?
James Forrest is Lennon says:
1 December, 2011 at 19:53
Thanks for the clarification James. It is as I had taken it that he is barred for five years when he is ban ended in 2012.
It is or would be an open and shut case if it were any other Club other than the orcs…interesting few days ahead I suspect; this one should be settled one way or another before the big tax case I suspect.
What do you think James?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
PS: Perhaps he will need to sell…back to minty for a profit, £2!
James Forrest is Lennon says:
1 December, 2011 at 19:53:
…when he is ban ended in 2012…
Badly worded James, meant he is barred for five years from 2007, sop as you posted that is until 2012…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Rubicon says 1 December, 2011 at 18:43 How can an organisation which had George Peat as its President decide who is or isn’t a fit and proper person?
Best post on here for a while IMO.