May is not out, the manager is not formally in place yet, but there’s an early bit of transfer rumblings underway as Celtic begin the process of building a squad for an attack on The Nine.
In response to speculation linking Celtic to one of his players, Motherwell chief exec, Alan Burrows, wrote on Twitter, “figures in papers are often educated stabs and not a true reflection on either what one/any club might be prepared to pay or the other might be prepared to accept.”
In short, any inquiry from Celtic for David Turnbull is at an early stage and conversations will not be around the figures reported.
We have 93 days like this until the transfer window closes….
Like you, I enjoyed watching Patrick Roberts. He is a gifted player and good professional. His could have been a permanent signing for Celtic but Pep Guardiola had other ideas. Now he has signed a new contract, keeping him at at Manchester City for another three years, a club he will almost certainly never play competitively for, while simultaneously agreeing to a one year loan at newly promoted Norwich.
It is hard to escape agricultural metaphors when watching what the tier one clubs in England do with young talent. They are a crop to hoard and sell, not to consume. City paid Fulham £12m for Patrick four years ago. His new contract will be worth several millions per year, and when his value is right, they will sell him. This is a business model, independent of first team considerations.
A season in the English Premier League could be enough to raise a fee in excess of £20m, but there is a risk going to Norwich. Patrick’s talents are most valuable unlocking packed defences. Players of craft are less valued the further down the league you go, where robustness and counter-attacking football has become mandatory.
He would contribute his share in that Manchester City squad, or at Celtic, but his bit-part season at relegated Girona is a portent of what could lie ahead for him in Norwich. At least he’ll be able to catch the tunes on North Norfolk Digital.
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We are never satisfied and that’s the way it should be. Success is winning the next game and trophy not the last one. I’ve been lucky to see some great Celtic players and teams, I’ve also seen some that were not so great. The thing is, I’ve supported Celtic for 60 years and hope to do so for a few more, win lose or draw.
Calton – Carfin, with a few stops on the way. Hail Hail
“Celtic’s business model is successful.”
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i doubt many will disagree with that
but as fans we arent as obsessed with results on the balance sheet as we are with results on the pitch
its the plc board who are obsessed with that, as are all plc boards because it is that that keeps them millionaires
i dont move in those circles
“…It was not taken by any allegedly Tory voting directors from the last 30 years…”
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that almost sounds like you are using the Tory voting phrase as an insult
remember, as has been mentioned on here a million times, celtic is a club open to all ??♂️
so that must include tory voters, bnp voters, and liberal democrat voters!!
For the team and support to be obsessed with winning, and I believe we are, we need the backing of a Board, who are obsessed by keeping the club in business ( there’s that word again).
Both are not mutually exclusive. Au contraire, mes amis. They are essential.
indeed
they are probably essential
but at times its not very palatable when we arent signing the players we think we should because we wont pay the cash
yet PL gets paid a top 6 English Premiership wage to run a club to win the Scottish Premiership
which would be fine if we make progress i europe buy we dont really
doesnt add up to me
Why do you say we wont pay the cash?
We paid £8-9mill for Edouard
Talking of locations, South Of Tunis hasn’t posted in a while unless I’ve missed it??
THE HUDDLE-STARRY PLOUGH hasn’t been on for a while though I think he was relocating
Timothy Castagne has stated this week that Celtic bid £8million, but Atalanta’s asking price was £12million.
Dithering CSC
Celtic fc is a well run club that lives within its means and has short, medium and long team plans. It is very clear that Celtic fc decided a long time ago that overspending on the field was not sustainable because It translated
To losses of the pitch. That is the reality.
A plan to find a balance was sought and we moved to a club that sought to sign young players, develop and sell for profit.
The benefits, we got good young players, we got good money back and we occasionally did well in european football.
The downside is we always lost the best players, the next young players are generally not as good as the developed players sold and the team and players can be inconsistant. Building a squad can be difficult and people get pissed off with the never ending cycle.
I reckon we do ok but could do better in a lot of areas.
Our squad is often way to big
We sign to many squad fillers i.e. hayes
We have to often allowed good players to run down contract i.e. boyata, ledley etc…
We have not used Our academy kids often enough
We seem more comfortable purchase quantity over quality.
All could be addressed if there was/ is a will to do so
Bada
The cricket should be interesting – good result for Bangladesh
There are more Tory hopefuls than cqn posters
Ftw,,
Lot of accepting there.
Is there any aspect currently you find unacceptable?
Hail Hail
Genuine question
What were the dividends to shareholders ?.
HH
STEPHBHOY
Decent post.
The reason for a run down contract is always two fold, and Celtic’s record is pretty good, Tierney, McGregor, Rogic, etc.
The problem arises when the Dedryk Boyata’s won’t sign because they want the
mega money that Celtic cannot pay.
VW, VVD, Stuart Armstrong etc, wanted to go, and Celtic cannot pay EPL money.
It happens CSC
Thomthetim is that the Butny as in Whitelaw street in Maryhill?
The posts below are from @proftomkins
I am pleased to have received a letter from Peter Lawwell at Celtic FC. Given the number of constituents interested in the matters it addresses, and to aid transparency, I will post this letter on Twitter (in the next few minutes) and follow up with some comments of my own.
Here’s Celtic’s letter, in full. My reaction to it to follow. https://twitter.com/ProfTomkins/status/1134825488357240837/photo/1
First of all, no one should confuse what Celtic call “the due process of law”, and an apparently entirely secret investigation by an unnamed lawyer. Wherever possible legal process occurs in the open, not behind closed doors.
Second, nothing in my remarks this week about Celtic boys’ club is based on any “misconception” about liability. I have neither said nor implied anything about liability.
I know of no reason why legal investigation into what Celtic FC knew about the abuse at the boys club (and when they knew it) needs to be in secret.
Respecting the confidentiality of victims is one thing; keeping under wraps even the fact that something is being investigated is another thing altogether.
Nothing in Celtic’s letter to me undermines my belief that these matters require to be *independently* investigated and that, if necessary, Celtic will have to establish and administer a compensation scheme for victims of abuse.
Finally, having an unnamed lawyer secretly investigating a matter does nothing to help, guide or support the victims and their families. It is their rights and interests that no one should overlook in this matter.
And look what happens when you do a little bit of digging.
Credit to @magic_bhoy after finding this wee snippet below posted by none other than Adam Tomkins MSP.
What is 54 + 1? It’s 55, right? Yeah, it’s 55. Thought so. #WATP #rangersfamily #TheseColoursDontRun
His agenda is now clear ladies and gentlemen for all to see.
Just another dirty rancid hun.
FTW @ 4.38
Have to disagree with your business model analysis.
FMcC @ 1994 = Season tickets / expand the stadium / tight reign on spending and wages.
DD @ 1999 = Spend big to get us noticed down south — Part 1 / Use up FMcC savings.
DD / MON @ 2000 = Spend big and pay top wages to get us noticed down south / growth rights issue.
MON @ 2004 / 05 = Ageing, overpaid — £33mill in football wages — squad diminishing before our eyes.
GS @ 2005 = Big clear out — wages down to £25mill / emergency rights issue.
TBC.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Yes, i agree we have tied down some players and others will leave cause they wush. We already knew boyata was for the off and 9 million walked out the door because of poor planning. By identifying a replacement early we would not have faced such a loss.
HH
Bsr,,
” The problem arises when the Dedryk Boyata’s won’t sign because they want the
mega money that Celtic cannot pay. ”
Hes not on mega money just more money and it’s ” that Celtic choose not to pay” not cant.
Could afford it if wanted enough therefore it’s a choice.
Hope you’re well
Hail Hail
From the huddle board.
This will explain why the “professor” is only interested in the abuse that happened at CBC, rather across all the affected clubs, including the one he supports. He’s not interested in helping the victims, just another point-scoring hun. https://twitter.com/ProfTomkins/status/318087598545440770
BSR
Assume thats a joke.
12m for a right back that winae gettin a game last year ?.
Aye right….
Caughtupinthefranticweneedtobuyanybody.sh*te
IMHO Of course
HH
MAHE THE MADMAN
Do you believe that D boyata is worth a 30%, 50% or 200% bigger wage?
Mahe
I’m sure we have a wage structure – so any substantial increase could have a knock on effect
Watchin replay of UCL
Ball well outside corner qtr.
Rukesandrules
From Mick McCahill
A Tory MSP using sectarian “We are the people” hashtag! Same Tory MP that has been attacking Celtic FC over child abuse at CBC. Same Tory MP that ignores the fact that his new club told an abused victim at Rangers FC to see liquidators for compensation. #Bigot #Hypocrite https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/318087598545440770
Tr3ble Tr3ble.
Let that sink in for a minute.
HH. ?
Celtic PLC’s amateur hour PR campaign regarding the clubs knowledge of the abuse scandal at our Boys Club has not unexpectedly backfired.
How in Gods name did anyone think it would be a good idea to highlight the fact that the clubs insurers had appointed a Senior council to investigate the issue in secret.
It has subsequently became public knowledge that this individual hasn’t actually interviewed any of the victims of the abuse.
This issue isn’t going away, and if the investigation that is going on in secret isn’t made public, then it will get even worse.
Alex Thomson of C4 news is the latest to have a pop at the clubs handling of this sorry saga.
“Pretty clear tonight that a truly independent (judge led?) inquiry into Celtic Boys’ Club paedophilia is desirable. What an irony – Celtic FC tried secrecy and a limited inquiry like the Brits after Bloody Sunday. That strategy seems to be unravelling.”
16 ROADS. on 2ND JUNE 2019 7:33 PM
Tr3ble Tr3ble.
Let that sink in for a minute.
HH. ?
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J, Sunk in to the bottom of the Mariana trench mhate……..just don’t understand the negativity from many Celts .hh
HENRIK1967
Do you think using whataboutery will console the victims and the families of those that were abused at our Boys Club?
While I have no doubt about the motives of the Conservative Professor what motivated Celtic fan and MSP James Dornan?
Does any of this help the victims in any way?
https://twitter.com/proftomkins/status/318087598545440770?s=12
This is the mouth who was on TV last week, we now know why
VP- Lawwells gross mismanagement, through lack of forward planning cost the club £9 million plus re Boyata,in a business our size,sacking material IMOHH
Bada
Still not a fekn downer mhate!
Stephbhoy
I don’t accept that a player refusing a new contract under the Celtic wage structure and running down his contract is due to poor planning.
BR wouldn’t sanction the sale of Boyata his agent chased him all round Lennoxtown, but Brendan wouldn’t deal.
Although the player wanted to move BR dug his heels in because there was no replacement on the horizon, other than his two flops Compper and Hendry ( who can blame him?)
BR let his contract run down, or the board who allegedly wanted to sell too Fulham?
Players contracts run out at bigger clubs than us but like alot of things, its always the Celtics fault
Mahe
No idea what Hertha Berlin pay for players playing in their half empty stadium, I’m sure Bundesliga wages are substantially better, than what the Celtic support thought Dedryk was worth. Many of them would have driven him to the airport themselves, so I’m sure Peter had a lowish ceiling.
Adi
I’m sure Timothy exaggerates just like supporters
But a direct quote from Timothy Castagne in this weeks press.
nonetheless smashes the myth, that Celtic dither, and won’t sit well
with the cynical Celtic view
HH
Does anybody remember this guy? My son asked me about him and I drew a total blank ???
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabiu_Ibrahim
Front row next to Broony
https://postimg.cc/rKXWYKH1
BSR- Lack of forward planning has cost the Club millions, if he is 18 months to go,offer a deal,in it’s a no then punt him,and get a replacement in……shocking loss of money IMO,contracts and player succession are his main interests IMO HH
Vogue,,I wasn’t debating that point just pointing out he’s not on mega money at all and we could afford him if we wanted to.
Gene, was only discussing that player and I believe my points are valid.
Bsr,,substantially better is a far cry from mega and should it really be up to an accountant to decide how much a player is worth per week?
A decision for those on the,footballing staff surely .
I notice Peter also gave an opinion on how much surgery the squad needs,,something I would like only footballing department people to decide also and I hope you would agree with that.
Hail Hail