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93 days of this left, the farming of Patrick Roberts

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May is not out, the manager is not formally in place yet, but there’s an early bit of transfer rumblings underway as Celtic begin the process of building a squad for an attack on The Nine.

In response to speculation linking Celtic to one of his players, Motherwell chief exec, Alan Burrows, wrote on Twitter, “figures in papers are often educated stabs and not a true reflection on either what one/any club might be prepared to pay or the other might be prepared to accept.”

In short, any inquiry from Celtic for David Turnbull is at an early stage and conversations will not be around the figures reported.

We have 93 days like this until the transfer window closes….

Like you, I enjoyed watching Patrick Roberts.  He is a gifted player and good professional.  His could have been a permanent signing for Celtic but Pep Guardiola had other ideas.  Now he has signed a new contract, keeping him at at Manchester City for another three years, a club he will almost certainly never play competitively for, while simultaneously agreeing to a one year loan at newly promoted Norwich.

It is hard to escape agricultural metaphors when watching what the tier one clubs in England do with young talent.  They are a crop to hoard and sell, not to consume.  City paid Fulham £12m for Patrick four years ago.  His new contract will be worth several millions per year, and when his value is right, they will sell him.  This is a business model, independent of first team considerations.

A season in the English Premier League could be enough to raise a fee in excess of £20m, but there is a risk going to Norwich.  Patrick’s talents are most valuable unlocking packed defences.  Players of craft are less valued the further down the league you go, where robustness and counter-attacking football has become mandatory.

He would contribute his share in that Manchester City squad, or at Celtic, but his bit-part season at relegated Girona is a portent of what could lie ahead for him in Norwich.  At least he’ll be able to catch the tunes on North Norfolk Digital.

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  1. We are never satisfied and that’s the way it should be. Success is winning the next game and trophy not the last one. I’ve been lucky to see some great Celtic players and teams, I’ve also seen some that were not so great. The thing is, I’ve supported Celtic for 60 years and hope to do so for a few more, win lose or draw.

     

    Calton – Carfin, with a few stops on the way. Hail Hail

  2. lets all do the huddle ? on

    “Celtic’s business model is successful.”

     

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    i doubt many will disagree with that

     

     

    but as fans we arent as obsessed with results on the balance sheet as we are with results on the pitch

     

     

    its the plc board who are obsessed with that, as are all plc boards because it is that that keeps them millionaires

     

     

    i dont move in those circles

  3. lets all do the huddle ? on

    “…It was not taken by any allegedly Tory voting directors from the last 30 years…”

     

     

     

    that almost sounds like you are using the Tory voting phrase as an insult

     

     

    remember, as has been mentioned on here a million times, celtic is a club open to all ??‍♂️

     

     

    so that must include tory voters, bnp voters, and liberal democrat voters!!

  4. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    For the team and support to be obsessed with winning, and I believe we are, we need the backing of a Board, who are obsessed by keeping the club in business ( there’s that word again).

     

    Both are not mutually exclusive. Au contraire, mes amis. They are essential.

  5. lets all do the huddle ? on

    indeed

     

     

    they are probably essential

     

     

    but at times its not very palatable when we arent signing the players we think we should because we wont pay the cash

     

     

    yet PL gets paid a top 6 English Premiership wage to run a club to win the Scottish Premiership

     

     

    which would be fine if we make progress i europe buy we dont really

     

     

    doesnt add up to me

  6. Talking of locations, South Of Tunis hasn’t posted in a while unless I’ve missed it??

  7. fairhill bhoy on

    THE HUDDLE-STARRY PLOUGH hasn’t been on for a while though I think he was relocating

  8. Celtic fc is a well run club that lives within its means and has short, medium and long team plans. It is very clear that Celtic fc decided a long time ago that overspending on the field was not sustainable because It translated

     

    To losses of the pitch. That is the reality.

     

     

    A plan to find a balance was sought and we moved to a club that sought to sign young players, develop and sell for profit.

     

     

    The benefits, we got good young players, we got good money back and we occasionally did well in european football.

     

     

    The downside is we always lost the best players, the next young players are generally not as good as the developed players sold and the team and players can be inconsistant. Building a squad can be difficult and people get pissed off with the never ending cycle.

     

     

    I reckon we do ok but could do better in a lot of areas.

     

     

    Our squad is often way to big

     

     

    We sign to many squad fillers i.e. hayes

     

     

    We have to often allowed good players to run down contract i.e. boyata, ledley etc…

     

     

    We have not used Our academy kids often enough

     

     

    We seem more comfortable purchase quantity over quality.

     

     

    All could be addressed if there was/ is a will to do so

  9. Mahe the Madman on

    Ftw,,

     

    Lot of accepting there.

     

    Is there any aspect currently you find unacceptable?

     

    Hail Hail

  10. STEPHBHOY

     

     

    Decent post.

     

     

    The reason for a run down contract is always two fold, and Celtic’s record is pretty good, Tierney, McGregor, Rogic, etc.

     

     

    The problem arises when the Dedryk Boyata’s won’t sign because they want the

     

    mega money that Celtic cannot pay.

     

     

    VW, VVD, Stuart Armstrong etc, wanted to go, and Celtic cannot pay EPL money.

     

     

    It happens CSC

  11. The posts below are from @proftomkins

     

     

    I am pleased to have received a letter from Peter Lawwell at Celtic FC. Given the number of constituents interested in the matters it addresses, and to aid transparency, I will post this letter on Twitter (in the next few minutes) and follow up with some comments of my own.

     

     

    Here’s Celtic’s letter, in full. My reaction to it to follow. https://twitter.com/ProfTomkins/status/1134825488357240837/photo/1

     

     

    First of all, no one should confuse what Celtic call “the due process of law”, and an apparently entirely secret investigation by an unnamed lawyer. Wherever possible legal process occurs in the open, not behind closed doors.

     

     

    Second, nothing in my remarks this week about Celtic boys’ club is based on any “misconception” about liability. I have neither said nor implied anything about liability.

     

     

    I know of no reason why legal investigation into what Celtic FC knew about the abuse at the boys club (and when they knew it) needs to be in secret.

     

     

    Respecting the confidentiality of victims is one thing; keeping under wraps even the fact that something is being investigated is another thing altogether.

     

     

    Nothing in Celtic’s letter to me undermines my belief that these matters require to be *independently* investigated and that, if necessary, Celtic will have to establish and administer a compensation scheme for victims of abuse.

     

     

    Finally, having an unnamed lawyer secretly investigating a matter does nothing to help, guide or support the victims and their families. It is their rights and interests that no one should overlook in this matter.

     

     

     

     

    And look what happens when you do a little bit of digging.

     

     

    Credit to @magic_bhoy after finding this wee snippet below posted by none other than Adam Tomkins MSP.

     

     

    What is 54 + 1? It’s 55, right? Yeah, it’s 55. Thought so. #WATP #rangersfamily #TheseColoursDontRun

     

     

    His agenda is now clear ladies and gentlemen for all to see.

     

     

    Just another dirty rancid hun.

  12. FTW @ 4.38

     

     

    Have to disagree with your business model analysis.

     

     

    FMcC @ 1994 = Season tickets / expand the stadium / tight reign on spending and wages.

     

    DD @ 1999 = Spend big to get us noticed down south — Part 1 / Use up FMcC savings.

     

    DD / MON @ 2000 = Spend big and pay top wages to get us noticed down south / growth rights issue.

     

    MON @ 2004 / 05 = Ageing, overpaid — £33mill in football wages — squad diminishing before our eyes.

     

    GS @ 2005 = Big clear out — wages down to £25mill / emergency rights issue.

     

     

    TBC.

  13. BOURNESOUPRECIPE

     

     

    Yes, i agree we have tied down some players and others will leave cause they wush. We already knew boyata was for the off and 9 million walked out the door because of poor planning. By identifying a replacement early we would not have faced such a loss.

     

     

    HH

  14. Mahe the Madman on

    Bsr,,

     

    ” The problem arises when the Dedryk Boyata’s won’t sign because they want the

     

    mega money that Celtic cannot pay. ”

     

     

    Hes not on mega money just more money and it’s ” that Celtic choose not to pay” not cant.

     

    Could afford it if wanted enough therefore it’s a choice.

     

    Hope you’re well

     

    Hail Hail

  15. BSR

     

    Assume thats a joke.

     

     

     

    12m for a right back that winae gettin a game last year ?.

     

     

    Aye right….

     

     

    Caughtupinthefranticweneedtobuyanybody.sh*te

     

     

    IMHO Of course

     

     

    HH

  16. MAHE THE MADMAN

     

     

    Do you believe that D boyata is worth a 30%, 50% or 200% bigger wage?

  17. Mahe

     

    I’m sure we have a wage structure – so any substantial increase could have a knock on effect

  18. eddieinkirkmichael on

    ‪Celtic PLC’s amateur hour PR campaign regarding the clubs knowledge of the abuse scandal at our Boys Club has not unexpectedly backfired.‬

     

    ‪How in Gods name did anyone think it would be a good idea to highlight the fact that the clubs insurers had appointed a Senior council to investigate the issue in secret. ‬

     

    ‪It has subsequently became public knowledge that this individual hasn’t actually interviewed any of the victims of the abuse. ‬

     

    ‪This issue isn’t going away, and if the investigation that is going on in secret isn’t made public, then it will get even worse.‬

     

     

    ‪Alex Thomson of C4 news is the latest to have a pop at the clubs handling of this sorry saga.‬

     

    “Pretty clear tonight that a truly independent (judge led?) inquiry into Celtic Boys’ Club paedophilia is desirable. What an irony – Celtic FC tried secrecy and a limited inquiry like the Brits after Bloody Sunday. That strategy seems to be unravelling.”

  19. 16 ROADS. on 2ND JUNE 2019 7:33 PM

     

    Tr3ble Tr3ble.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Let that sink in for a minute.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    HH. ?

     

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    J, Sunk in to the bottom of the Mariana trench mhate……..just don’t understand the negativity from many Celts .hh

  20. eddieinkirkmichael on

    HENRIK1967

     

    ‪Do you think using whataboutery will console the victims and the families of those that were abused at our Boys Club? ‬

     

    ‪While I have no doubt about the motives of the Conservative Professor what motivated Celtic fan and MSP James Dornan?‬

     

    ‪Does any of this help the victims in any way?‬

  21. !!Bada Bing!! on

    VP- Lawwells gross mismanagement, through lack of forward planning cost the club £9 million plus re Boyata,in a business our size,sacking material IMOHH

  22. Stephbhoy

     

     

    I don’t accept that a player refusing a new contract under the Celtic wage structure and running down his contract is due to poor planning.

     

     

    BR wouldn’t sanction the sale of Boyata his agent chased him all round Lennoxtown, but Brendan wouldn’t deal.

     

     

    Although the player wanted to move BR dug his heels in because there was no replacement on the horizon, other than his two flops Compper and Hendry ( who can blame him?)

     

     

    BR let his contract run down, or the board who allegedly wanted to sell too Fulham?

     

     

    Players contracts run out at bigger clubs than us but like alot of things, its always the Celtics fault

     

     

    Mahe

     

     

    No idea what Hertha Berlin pay for players playing in their half empty stadium, I’m sure Bundesliga wages are substantially better, than what the Celtic support thought Dedryk was worth. Many of them would have driven him to the airport themselves, so I’m sure Peter had a lowish ceiling.

     

     

    Adi

     

     

    I’m sure Timothy exaggerates just like supporters

     

     

    But a direct quote from Timothy Castagne in this weeks press.

     

    nonetheless smashes the myth, that Celtic dither, and won’t sit well

     

    with the cynical Celtic view

     

     

    HH

  23. !!Bada Bing!! on

    BSR- Lack of forward planning has cost the Club millions, if he is 18 months to go,offer a deal,in it’s a no then punt him,and get a replacement in……shocking loss of money IMO,contracts and player succession are his main interests IMO HH

  24. Mahe the Madman on

    Vogue,,I wasn’t debating that point just pointing out he’s not on mega money at all and we could afford him if we wanted to.

     

     

    Gene, was only discussing that player and I believe my points are valid.

     

     

    Bsr,,substantially better is a far cry from mega and should it really be up to an accountant to decide how much a player is worth per week?

     

    A decision for those on the,footballing staff surely .

     

    I notice Peter also gave an opinion on how much surgery the squad needs,,something I would like only footballing department people to decide also and I hope you would agree with that.

     

    Hail Hail