Fans Against Criminalisation


I know we have Hibs in the League Cup on our mind today but would like to look ahead to Saturday.  The umbrella group, Fans Against Criminalisation, have organised a rally in GEORGE SQUARE before our home league game against Hibs.  I asked the group who they were, what their objectives are and why we should go along on Saturday, and was very impressed with their answers:

“Fans Against Criminalisation is a campaign group founded by five fan organisations (Green Brigade, Celtic Trust, Celtic Supporters Association, Affiliation of Celtic Supporters, Association of Irish Celtic Supporters Clubs). The campaign was formed on the back of the Green Brigade’s well-received protest at the Inverness game and after many previous discussions between the organisations about the Bill. We decided to come together to campaign against the Bill.

“Our objective is to ‘Kill the Bill’, the first part which deals with ‘offensive behaviour at football’ anyway. We have no problem with the government trying to tackle societal problems like sectarianism but these are not football’s problems alone and where sectarian crimes are committed then existing laws can be used to arrest and prosecute offenders. The new law goes far beyond sectarianism and captures anything that may offend or may cause disorder. This is only applied to football fans and it is ludicrous given that there is little or no disorder in Scottish football grounds and that routine aspects of football rivalry and tribalism will now be criminal offences. Government ministers have said fans who do anything from blessing yourself to singing a national anthem could fall foul of the proposes new law.

“The Government has shown little interest in fans’ views on the Bill. F.A.C. will be campaigning vigorously over the coming weeks and months and will be making our views heard. If the Bill passes then we will continue to protest against it, and challenge it legally and politically. The Celtic support is a very powerful potential constituency and the Scottish Government should be mindful of that.

“The rally is the starting point for the campaign. We need Celtic fans to get along and show their support for the campaign and add weight to our voice. We’ve asked people to assemble at 12.00 and the demo will start at 12.30 with speakers from the campaign. There’s no headline acts – Saturday is simply a time for ordinary Celtic fans to come together and unite against the Bill; a time to come together and send a message to the politicians that we will fight them all the way. Everyone should be doing their best to get along to George Square on Saturday and say no to the Bill.”

If at all possible, get along on Saturday and register your support.

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  1. Managed to give up the ole E lites when the blog was down.



    Tempted to tweet official Neil – to tell him no ole cursed yellow strip tonight, but he’d think I was a crank?

  2. The Battered Bunnet on

    Fans Against Criminalisation? Try this…



    Fifa’s ethics committee has opened proceedings against 10 more Caribbean football officials, relating to the cash-for-votes scandal.



    Four members of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) were banned on 14 October.



    The officials will have their cases heard in mid-November, world football’s governing body said in a statement.



    They have been charged with breaching rules on ethics in the wake of the corruption scandal that saw Mohamed bin Hammam banned for life.



    In July, the ethics committee ruled that Bin Hammam had made or offered cash gifts of $40,000 (£25,000) to each of the 25 CFU chiefs at a special meeting in Trinidad on 10-11 May.



    In June, Jack Warner quit as Fifa vice-president and head of the CFU after he was charged with bribery. He claimed there was a Fifa conspiracy against Caribbean football.



    The CFU presidential election will be held in Jamaica next month and will see Jamaican Ralph Anthony James going up against Harold Taylor of Trinidad & Tobago.



    The 10 officials named by Fifa today were: Raymond Guishard (Anguilla), Damien Hughes (Anguilla), Everton Gonsalves (Antigua and Barbuda), Derrick Gordon (Antigua and Barbuda), Lionel Haven (Bahamas, CFU), Patrick John (Dominica), Philippe White (Dominica), Vincent Cassell (Montserrat), Tandica Hughes (Montserrat), Oliver Camps (Trinidad and Tobago).

  3. Br\o/gan R\o/gan Trevin\o/ and H\o/gan says:


    26 October, 2011 at 09:55



    Cheers for the comprehensive reply mate but no matter what we throw into the equation I personally am left pondering the simple wonder… did the SPL and the SFA know of Rangers poverty and allow them a licence which would in effect constitute… or did they not apply the rules associated with their very own articles of association which would in effect render them negligent as professional cripples.


    Either way, Celtic, and other SPL clubs, were put to a disadvantage. Somebody was responsible for that inequality; somebody should answer to the highest courts for that inequality. It does border on institutionalised apartheid when you stop and think about it.


    All for the benefit of one club.



    The Rules of The Scottish Premier League.



    Effective 18 April 2011






    Inspection of Financial Records





    Every Club shall keep detailed financial records and the Company shall be entitled to inspect such records and to require Clubs to provide copies of any financial or other records which the Company may reasonably require in order to enable the Company to investigate whether the Club has complied and is complying with these Rules, the Articles of Association, the SFA Articles, the UEFA Statutes and the FIFA Statutes and to ensure compliance by the Club with the same.

  4. Kittoch- I posted last night if Rapid and Hearts are owed instalments for Jelavic and Wallace,and the huns go breasts north,who owns them? Would they be re-possesed so to speak?

  5. The Battered Bunnet on

    It is interesting that many of the organisations noted above attended or were represented at a meeting in March this year with Ronnie Hawthorn of Celtic, at which it was agreed that singing songs which referenced the Provisional IRA would stop.



    Of course, none of the organisations were kind enough to let the support know what had been agreed.

  6. Re the Huns position. It is a foregone conclusion that they will enter Administration in some form and sooner rather than later if the info from the last couple of days proves to be true.



    However, their use of the EBT scheme was not necessarily wrong but they have behaved unprofessionally in their administration of the schemes. Therefore, I would think that while they whare aware that they were not following the scheme to the letter of the law they probably though it was ok. They failed to understand the necessity for full compliance.



    However, their actions since then have to be called into question. They may (Bain & Murray inlcuded) must have been advised that for sometime the appeal process with HMRC was only buying time. As directors they will have know that this would mean only one thing and should have acted accordingly. The sanction of Jellyfish purchase stands out in this era but is then compounded by the new contracts issued to players in August by Whyte. How can they offer long term contracts knowing that they cannot fulfill them? Whittaker is apparently on £28k per week. They invested in their assets in the short term to give them an unfair advantage knowing that they were in all aspects insolvent.



    Being no lover of the SFA I would have to defend their position at least in the sense that they acted as other leagues have acted and only react as and when ther Administrators are called in. It has happened with Mallorca, Portsmouth and Southampton an others. I am not aware of any pre-emptive strike by authorities.

  7. Philbhoy - It's just the beginning! on




    If the h**s go belly up on Friday, I hope it doesn’t become the Battle of George Square/Glasgow Green.



    In any event, take care bhoys.

  8. If Rangers go into administration/liquidation and there is a fire sale of players.



    Would you go for any of their players and what would be the most you would want to pay?




  9. The crazy thing wioth this bill is that it is so stupidly subjective. Everyone can find something in their lives which offends them. I mean, Victoria Beckham offends me, should she be arrested too????



    I really think that part of the problem is a class issue. Many years ago I went ot a Hearts V Celtic game in Edinburgh. It was a Saturday and coincided with a rugby game of Scotland V Ireland. When we got off the train at Haymarket it was amazing at the way the police reacted to us and the Irish fans on the other hand. Celtic fans were being huckled for singing too loud yet the police were laughing with the rugby fans, having their photos taken wearing the police hats etc etc etc.



    I just hope I’m wrong but think not!!



    Hail Hail




  10. Apologies if it’s been posted before but I see that someone has today registered GLASGOW CELTIC LIMITED with an address in Cumbernauld.



    possible sale of celtic park and move to Broadwood?

  11. Bada Bing



    Until all of the agreed payments are made the player is not officially owned by the paying club, however the selling club have no rights over the player while the agreement is up to date.



    Where a payment is missed or late there will be rules which come into play, IE


    1) the player is unable to represent his new club until payments are up to date


    2) if the player is played while outstanding monies are due then a whole new set of penalties could be enforced, for example, player returns to the original club immediately, or an additional financial penalty could be levied.


    3) The buying club has 21 days to bring contract up to date or player is technically repossesed.



    In the event of 3 there may be a rule in place that means the default club mey get a partial refund of monies paid, or a value put against the player as he currently stands in the event of the repossesing club moving the player to another new club.



    In short nothing good will come out of this for the club who has defaulted.

  12. Ten Men Won The League on

    A memeber of the darkside posted this on the RTC site a short while ago regards our own financial situation



    Could any of our financial wizards on here explain if this has even a grain of truth to it?




    Celtic have trade creditors of £16m


    Celtic owe the Co-op £11.3m


    Celtic have a Capital Finance lease debt of £5m


    These are all debts that have to be paid



    You are right to say they had £10m cash in bank at the end of the season. This is down to 2 things. Season ticket money coming in prior to year end. Aiden McGeady cash up front. Take away the player sales from last year of £15m i believe and the picture is less rosey.



    This is the reason the Co-op asked for additional security earlier this season which was granted because they know that things will look differently in 7 months time.

  13. Philbhoy - It's just the beginning! on




    If the h**ns go belly up I expect J*lavic, Dav*s and Nais***h would produce reasonable interest from England and would probably generate reasonable cash.



    The rest might struggle.



    How I’d love to see La***rty in a Morton strip.

  14. Paddy Gallagher on

    If players who are legally responsible for their tax return, received dubious payments from Rangers that weren’t declared as income –


    could these ex players now be hounded for non payment of tax?

  15. From last article






    they went into the overdraft, they backed their manager.



    we didn’t back our managers, but hey we have no debt. now i’m not saying we should have spent stupid money, but enough that we could get it back with a good european run, we did heehaw though.






    PS Got “The criminialisation willnot be televised” tshirt from KDS, brilliant so it is!

  16. Bada bing



    If they cease to trade the players on Tic will be returned to their original clubs and the administrator will try and get the return of any monies due as per the hp agreement



    All other players can be released on a free if the administrator does not see value in them, the others will be sold to the highest bidders with little or no agent involvement.

  17. The Honest Mistake (Sickened) on

    Ten Men Won The League 26 October, 2011 at 11:50:


    Aye somebodies gone through the accounts and picked out all the debts. Hunguffery at its finest.

  18. lennon's passion on

    Ernie if you are on or anyone who knows,what is pre packed adminastation. Cheers in advance.





  19. Kill Bill



    The sectarian behaviour was not at the match,


    Why do people miss this very obvious catch?


    Tackling criminalisation is all well and good,


    Why change the law? We know where we stood.



    You can tackle the problem with current law,


    Listen to the sound advice and then withdraw,


    The world is watching on an internet page,


    Read what they are saying before you engage.



    Send for Beatrix Kiddo, she’ll do the job,


    Watch for her Saturday among the mob,


    Support this campaign or better still,


    George Square by 12 if you want to “Kill Bill”

  20. Kittoch-Thank you for your informative reply,i think players’ agents will be on to this like a shot,looking for any loophole to create a free transfer for their clients.Watch this space.

  21. Ten Men Won The League 11.50



    Posted on RTC as a response (not by me)



    Casual Observer says:


    26/10/2011 at 11:54 am






    Every trading business in the world has trade creditors. They also have trade debtors. It’s axiomatic.



    What’s your point? Although I notice accrued expenses have jumped £5M year on year which is worthy of a query.



    The Leases you refer to relate to retail units and other similar property related commitments,


    which deliver £15M approx of merchandising revenue each year from a cost base of less than £1.2M in rentals.



    What’s your point? Really.

  22. The Battered Bunnet on

    lennon’s passion



    The e-Lites fag packet guide to pre-packing:



    1) Current Directors set up new company – ‘newco’


    2) Current Directors appoint Administrator to old company – ‘oldco’


    3) Adminstrator sells the assets of oldco to newco


    4) Oldco is then wound up, with creditors receiving their share of the proceeds of the asset sale, plus whatever else can be liquidated.


    5) Newco trades on looking very similar to oldco, but without the debt.



    Hope that helps.

  23. BigChipsUK – This is just the beginning… says:


    26 October, 2011 at 12:06



    Personally I would be interested in their defenders as they have not been conceding too many goals. We have the strikers. Why we have failed to get decent centre backs in the last few years is totally crazy. Probably cost us a few titles even with the obvious Hun Scam!




  24. Yet another link BETWEEN Newcastle and Scott Brown for 4M in January.



    I honestly am torn about this.



    Brown has never been completely consistent but has come on to a good game in the last year barring injuries.



    If he won’t sign a contract then 4M back on him is a deal we should look at.






    Might just be speculation but that kind of money for a player who never convinced everyone is not a bad deal.

  25. The Battered Bunnet on

    Imagine my surprise when I read the following headline on the BBC:



    Bourne to reinterpret Sleeping Beauty



    From Courgette Soup Recipes to Gazebo Architecture and now this.



    Is there no end to this man’s talent?