I’ve no fondness for Stuart McColl but I’m disappointed the wheels have fallen off Motherwell’s bogey this season. Delivering two consecutive second place finishes in a league populated with mostly better finances teams was exceptional. Over the last three years they have lost players instead of paying money they couldn’t afford, otherwise they would almost certainly be challenging at the top of the table.
I like Gordon Strachan. One of the things I like about him is he is almost impossible to get on-message. Talk about manipulating football in order to get the ‘right’ teams in the top division is ludicrous, Gordon knows this, or he wouldn’t have used a word like “manipulate”. On a substantive note, I think he’s wrong on this point.
The game changed when Rangers were liquidated, and it changed again when Hearts and Hibs were relegated. Fewer people buy tickets as there is not genuine competition for the league title, but some things we can do without.
Scottish football survived without the ticket money these clubs brought them, and the country’s streets, pubs and A&E departments have benefited from not having to cope with the sheer hassle we used to put up with.
I’ve enjoyed our four lower tier-only games this season, they were atmospheric and entertaining. If this was our future, I’d bite your hand off for it before I’d want to go back to the old ways.
Celtic, Motherwell, Aberdeen and the rest are defined on their own merits, and many of us are enjoying our football.
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Auldheid 16:32
The bit that got me was that he reckoned the crowds would flock back to this manipulated league. I think he is way off the mark there.
And once the make-up of the league has been contrived, where do you go next? Certain teams not being able to get relegated?
PeteTheBeat wrote :
It’s a bit like, if you go to NY and you see somebody in a bar that you worked briefly with once.
You think ‘What an amazing coincidence’
…
A few years back I was working in NYC, about the time of the Milan away game where Graveson came on
Was sitting in a bar midweek, Irish bar near Times Square – in walked big blue nose I used to ref up the 5’s in Townhead, with his burd – he was on holiday
At the weekend , was in another Irish bar, near the office on Park Anenue and there was this burd/work colleague who had moved out there to work who went to same gym
Same weekend was in another Irish bar up near Empire State, and sitting next to me was another big guy from the 5’s – a big Glaswegian/Arab (not D Utd but a real Arab)
Glasgowbhoy@16.20
There is a new Failte opened above Hercules Bar in Castle St. Because it is new don’t know what time it opens at though. Worth checking out though, one on Falls Rd does a great Occupied Six Counties Fry.
For the avoidance of doubt I by no manner or means think that the SC draw was rigged BUT given the hand ups,somersaults and shenanigans undertaken (no pun intended) by the powers that be in ensuring that the Tribute act remained in existence (and continues to remain in existence )is anyone seriously surprised that people are making the points that they are? The points are being made in jest to illustrate that we were not paranoid enough. A valid point given everything that has transpired.
HH to the good ghuys.
Do all footballers and ex- footballers live in a bubble?
Only if they’ve played for the ole ‘Ammers.
DBBIA/AlfGarnettCSC
…or if they’re shacked up with wee Michael Jackson.
Dbia,
Was that not Michael Jacksons song?
Gearoid1998, appreciate the help, thanks.
Dontbrattbakkinanger
Or with Sydney Devine if they are really, really wee…tiny even…
spikeysauldman
16:49 on 3 November, 2014
PeteTheBeat wrote :
It’s a bit like, if you go to NY and you see somebody in a bar that you worked briefly with once.
You think ‘What an amazing coincidence’
…
A few years back I was working in NYC, about the time of the Milan away game where Graveson came on
Was sitting in a bar midweek, Irish bar near Times Square – in walked big blue nose I used to ref up the 5′s in Townhead, with his burd – he was on holiday
At the weekend , was in another Irish bar, near the office on Park Anenue and there was this burd/work colleague who had moved out there to work who went to same gym
Same weekend was in another Irish bar up near Empire State, and sitting next to me was another big guy from the 5′s – a big Glaswegian/Arab (not D Utd but a real Arab)
…………………………………
You should have told them all, ” Ffs I’m on holiday here. Beat it.” :-))
WGS’s comments are par for the course for footballers.
Very few have the same mindset as the fans, and most are engulfed in the cosy consensus that has dominated Scottish Football for 100 years.
Lenny gave dozens of IVs and exclusives to the Daily Record, despite what the vast majority of fans feel about that paper. I bet he never thought twice about it.
spikeysauldman
16:49 on
3 November, 2014
lol.
nearly every time i travel i meet someone i know ,
the co-incidence factor might be mitigaed by the
“i walked into an irish bar” statement.
Sadiesbhoy keeps the Michael Jackson theme going..
leftclicktic
can you put up photo of THAI TIMS new school.
bt 17.03
Oooh! Yer forrit noo.
Aside from the entrenched hatred the game in January will envoke and Strathclyde A&E staff groaning loudly, why even bother with the mass hysteria the meeja will continue to kindle?
Change the channel, or stick a decent documentary on the box. Don’t keep their life support charged up by blethering incessantly about them and any sporting “personalities” they employ to stoke up that hysteria. Let’s focus on our season, we have far more important games ahead in the busy schedule leading up to Christmas and Hogmanay. Who gives a hoot about a cup game against a team from the lower leagues, with an odd sounding name that is months away?
The team looks much more solid recently and there are green shoots (pun intended) that Ronny is learning on his feet, as did Lenny before him. The manic cavalry charge seems to have been slowed down somewhat, and an acceptance we are inevitably surrounded by hammer-throwers in our league. An attempt to sign Diarra would back that point up.
Whatever happens with John Guidetti in January will happen exactly then. I’m going to enjoy his talent for now, as well as his cooking tips.
Congratulations to the Green Brigade on their collection. It seems that the response was almost too overwhelming and they could have needed help. Maybe a CQN/Green Brigade collaboration is in order? Sort of a silvery green effort…
On my travels I have met Tims in every corner of the world, Africa, South America, the Middle East to name a few of the far flung places. Amazing the coincidences you have when you wear the Hoops (and then inevitably end up giving your jersey away).
Italiabhoy 17:02
I think bgx was coming from the accuracy point. Talking about punishments and relegation when that wasn’t the reality of what happened.
I like Gordon Strachan
In fact I love Gordon Strachan, in a manly sort of way.
Like a wife who questions your sanity when you rise at 6am on a snowy morning to go watch Celtic, small transgressions or misspeaks can be forgotten and easily forgiven.
Maybe the esteemed Celtic legend has been tripping around the corridors of power too long and he has been infected with the “Armageddon” virus.
Just like some of our former greats who were ambivalent, to say the least, about Scotland throwing off the shackles, their past deeds compensate for current indiscretions.
Oops, gotta run. The wife wants me to make lunch. ;-)
Ole Shep Ole Rugged Cross and many many more ole favourites
don’t shoot the messenger
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2014/lassana-diarra-agrees-to-deal-with-celtic/
tomtheleedstim
I guess that’s us strengthening ahead of the LC semi final clash?
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Is it Only me that Think these New Age ‘Bloggers’ sorry Journos..That don’t want a Bar of The Old Firm..
Are Celtic Men but spend most of their Time talking about Rangers..
Dr Phils latest only reference to Celtic FC is ‘My Team’ l take it he Means Celtic..
And when we Will play our Greatest Rivals he will Not be Supporting His Team he will be Walking the Irish Hills..FFs..
New age Celtic Fans doing their Nitting watching Celtic Vs Hamilton and Walking the Hills of Donegal on a Match Day..Oh Dear..
Bring Back the Crochet and Nanna Blankets..Ha
Summa
‘GG – why, did we get Aberdeen?
On Saturday 1st November 2014 former Rangers vice chairman Donald Findlay broke ranks with the Ibrox myth-makers in an interview in the Scottish Daily Mail in which he stated that the post liquidation Rangers are a ‘new entity’ which must establish ‘its own history and tradition’.
Findlay stated: ‘It is a different club. They may play at Ibrox and they may play sometimes in royal blue jerseys. But you cannot pass on that which is undefinable. And that is spirit and tradition and all the rest of it.
‘To me this is a new Rangers which has to establish its own history and tradition. But it’s not the Rangers I know. To me, genuinely, it is a new entity.’
Findlay also believes he is not the only supporter of the liquidated football club to hold these views, but most prefer to remain silent.
‘The view I have is one expressed to me by a lot of other Rangers supporters’ declared Findlay.
You can buy assets,’ he conceded, ‘but you can’t buy history. You can’t buy tradition. History and tradition are in the heart and in the mind. You can’t buy that.’
Charles Green was able to buy the assets of the doomed club in June 2012 after the creditors voted down the CVA proposed by the administrators Duff & Phelps, who were selected by Craig Whyte and appointed by the Court of Session on 14th February 2012 as Rangers slipped into administration.
Findlay is currently Chairman of Cowdenbeath FC, his first role in football since being exposed singing sectarian songs while vice chairman at Rangers (1872) and having to resign. Findlay gave the interview a few days ahead of Rangers’ (2012) visit to Cowdenbeath’s Central Park on lower division league duties.
In an earlier league fixture the programme editor at Livingston FC was forced to resign amid threats of future boycotts by the traveling support and online abuse on social media site directed at the West Lothian club and indeed the editor.
In an attempt to take the heat out if the situation the Livingston chairman issued an apology for any offence taken by the Rangers (2012) supporters but did NOT retract the factual basis of the programme feature, that the Rangers Livingston lost to that day was a new club.
In previous seasons in their short history, while further down the Scottish leagues, supporters of the new club bullied other clubs, such as Montrose, who dared to tell it like it is by calling Rangers a new club.
Supporters of all other teams in Scotland are all aware of the facts regarding the demise of the football club whose name – Rangers Football Club Ltd – is displayed on those famous gates at Ibrox. Visiting supporters to Ibrox remind their hosts of the uncomfortable truth by singing “You’re not Rangers anymore”. At times like this the truth really does hurt down Govan way.
Despite Rangers fans knowing that everyone else knows their status as a new club, a narrative has emerged where the word liquidation is never used. Instead the club “emerged from administration” and was “demoted” to the bottom tier due to the behaviour of one man – Craig Whyte. It wasn’t their fault – they are victims and everyone else in Scottish football – including notably Dundee United and Raith Rovers – kicked them when they were down. And they want payback – something old co failed to achieve towards hundreds of creditors from the face-painter to HMRC.
The role of the SFA in all of this is complex. Supporters of other clubs point to Campbell Ogilvie, the heavily compromised President of the SFA remaining in post despite being up to his neck in the muck of the Rangers’ demise. These supporters believe, with good reason, that everything and anything the SFA could do to assist Rangers – was done. It was only an online rebellion by season ticket holders of other Scottish clubs that prevented a new Rangers being parachuted into the second rather than the fourth tier back in the summer of 2012.
Despite all of this the Rangers supporters believe that they have actually been harshly treated by the SFA!
The national BBC News on the same day that Findlay’s interview appeared in the Daily Mail, broadcast the demotion/ same club myth to the UK on the evening news while reporting on that day’s League Cup Semi Final draw. CQN Magazine has lodged an official complaint with the BBC as a result.
Many Celtic supporters are now questioning our own club and point out of that if an ex- Rangers (1872) vice chairman who is currently a chairman of a club that Rangers (2012) are about to play, can make such a statement then Celtic – who will face Rangers (2012) at Hampden in a few months time, should come out and state the facts, as Celtic FC believe them to be.
A joke by Celtic Chief Executive Peter Lawwell tagging the new club as Rory Bremner FC is now entirely insufficient to these Celtic supporters who believe that the club should do the following:
State clearly that Celtic regard Rangers (2012) as a new entity, with no claim on the history of the liquidated club.
State that as such there is no track record between Celtic and our semi-final opponents in the League Cup.
State that Celtic regard the term Old Firm, the joint descriptive term for Celtic and the liquidated club, as having died with Rangers upon their liquidation.
State for the avoidance of doubt that ‘Rangers’ were never demoted. Instead the current club were given preferential treatment in being allowed a place in the fourth tier to fill the gap created by the demise of Rangers through liquidation.
Scottish football will never be allowed to move forward while this same club/ demoted unfairly myth remains – Montrose, Livingston, Cowdenbeath and other clubs have already shown they are brave enough to state the facts when they have been asked to play the new club. Celtic must do the same.
The longer Celtic wait as we approach this semi-final, the higher the risks involved in saying nothing. As a Celtic supporter I ask no more than Celtic state what Donald Findlay and others have had the courage to do already. On Saturday night 1st November, Donald Findlay went to bed free from the myth – he was on the side of truth and was no longer associated with a lie that as a QC he knows only too well to be complete and utter nonsense.
Now Celtic need to free themselves from the lie and the sooner the better.
tomtheleedstim
great news. I can see FAT SALLY going for john fleck now.he will keep our new signing quiet just like those DUTCH players who were terrified at the thought of playing against him prior to 2010 world cup qualifier.can’t remember how HOLLAND did in that tournament.
Good evening all.
Apols if already posted………l
@RBairner: Lassana #Diarra has reached an agreement to sign with Scottish champions #Celtic, report France Football. 6 month DEAL + 1 year option. #CFC
Thoughts???
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
bournesouprecipe
17:08 on 3 November, 2014
Ole Shep Ole Rugged Cross and many many more ole favourites
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Ole Frank Skerrit and Steak & Kidney Devine. Eithne Campbell and yon guy who was The King of Croy.
spikeysauldman
16:49 on
3 November, 2014
lol.
nearly every time i travel i meet someone i know ,
My Mrs gives me dogs abuse for the same thing ie no matter where we go I meet someone I know.
Most recent one. Exiting hotel in NYC when a Cop (NYPD variety) on patrol shouts my name. Transpires while living in North of Ireland he was a naturalised American citizen and had in intervening years went back to land of his birth and got involved in law enforcement.
Macanbheatha of this parish would have known his older brother as they went to the same University. Truth stranger than fiction. Needless to say Mrs reinforced in her opinion.
HH
The NYC story came up because I worked there and elsewhere in the USA as a youngster.
The HR manager had met me and a couple of other newbies at JFK and showed us the apartment where we would be saying.
A few days later after work on a Friday everybody went out to a bar in Manhattan.
She introduced me to her ‘new’ boyfriend. He looked shocked as I remembered I had briefly played football with him in England a year or so previously.
The thing was, I was fairly sure he was married.
On Monday, the HR lady cornered me and asked me what I knew of him. I was tempted to stammer out that he was a pretty good footballer but even I wasn’t that unfeeling.
I just left it at that – I’m sure they either broke up anyway and/or she found out about the wife business.
winning captains
17:13 on 3 November, 2014
I take a different view.
I understand factually and legally that they have been liquidated and are a new club. Even more importantly I know this in my heart.
I don’t need any “official” confirmation of this by any organization, least of all Celtic PLC who would only damage the brand and the continued bodily health of the support at large.
weefrathetim
17:17 on 3 November, 2014
Diarra? Yes please.
winning captains
17:13 on 3 November, 2014
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Excellent post.
Diarra signed a 6 month deal with option of further year at hoops according to scotsman……
TOSB
When music was music, and Radio Clyde was…..Radio Clyde.
Winning Captains
Excellent post. Surely the SFA should make the statement, rather than all the clubs having to do it individually? Not that they will, obviously!
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Shame on Celtic Fans for Giving Donald Findlay breathing Space and Praise..
He has been Saying Rangers are Not the Same Club since they Signed Maurice Johnstone..
Hmmmm..
Summa
WC
superb sir
The King of Croy was Will Star
winning captains
totally agree
given the opportunity we all have to speak out on this
get in touch with BRTH or Lennybhoy as there’s something which I’m sure will interest you
HH