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More worrying than the result

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I know we had nothing up front, but Odsonne Edouard has looked more of a passenger in some games this season than Patryk Klimala and Moi Elyounoussi this afternoon.  The game was lost elsewhere.

Newco’s shape allowed them to dominate space whenever we had possession.  They were able to swiftly double up on Jeremie Frimpong and Diego Laxalt when the ball went wide, while they were compact enough in the middle of the field to keep Celtic from penetrating their final third.

Games are won and lost on mistakes and yet again we are talking about the defensive line at set pieces.  Connor Goldson’s ploy of standing offsite in the hope that a defender would break the line and play him on, was not subtle, but it was effective.  It was an excellent cross from the free kick (which wasn’t a free kick, but no excuses), Duffy was an enabler and Valarie Barkas could have done better.  Questions remain for both.

Culpability was less clear at the second goal, which was well worked.  With so many Celtic players in the box, you would expect one to get in the way of the drilled cross, but it fell to Goldson; teams who create chances get these breaks.  It was a deserved goal (again, no excuses, but the handball!).

The last time we dominated Newco was two years ago in a 1-0 win at Celtic Park when Olivier Ntcham controlled the game and scored the winner.  Stephen Gerrard learned from that day as Olivier has not had a sniff against them since.

Being ineffective up front and shaky at the back are worries enough, but the biggest concern is that we were unable to do anything to change the flow of the game.  An inability to control the any part of the game is more worrying than poor defending or not attacking.  It is more worrying than the result.

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  1. Cheers SYDNEYTIM Seemed to be zero coming from the bench, and most of the team, all day.

     

     

    They had a lot of nice, one-touch play in triangles around our players. We had big lumps up the park.

     

     

    Dire performance AGAIN. This is not a one-off, not a surprise – this is how we have been against them mostly for the last year, and how we have been against most teams this season.

     

     

    Good – or even a bit better than poor – performances have been the exception – Hibs comes to mind – other than that, underperforming consistently. We are now a good chunk into the season, and it is getting worse, not better.

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  2. If Eddy is not up for it. Put Griff in………even a half fit Griff should be able to take on 95% of the SPL and do okay……..he’ll get fit in doing so and we’ll all get used to each other etc etc……….perhaps a fighting team spirit is forged in adversity…….

     

     

    Same goes for N’tcham.

     

     

    It would compound calamity with stupidity to replace Neil now, in any case who would want to come under the circumstances, a rejuvenated and urgent approach is needed and such strategies have so much riding on them that failure is often the outcome, despite the hopes to the contrary. We are in the keech currently, results like yesterday leave a smell for weeks and weeks……………….

     

     

    Our game in hand is now a neccessity – even if thems do falter, thull still git the penalties and ither decisions denied us, to dutch the League in their direction.

     

     

    We should have been better than this.

     

     

    HH

  3. Last night’s annoyance is giving way to wondering what the club does now about that shit-show?

     

    If there was something ‘rotten’ internally I’d expect some of the players (maybe seniors) to break rank and get word out via the press, esp if it was a real issue with the coaching team’s methods or practices.

     

    Course, mibby there’s no ‘issue’ and they’re just collectively having a nightmare season’s start.

     

    Most of us see that the players don’t believe in the set-up.

     

    Why don’t the coaches see it too!!

  4. Nye Bevans' rebel soldier on

    We’ve been poor all season,getting away with it domestically until yesterday,NFL

     

    wasn’t dealt a great hand thank’s to covid and injuries that aside it was a dreadful

     

    performance.

  5. and a quick squint back sees the ” return” of a serial phoney fantasist……………

     

     

    For a’ that an’ a’ that……………….a wee sleekit hun is still a hun.

     

     

    Aye!

  6. SKWELCHING JUNGLE WELLIES on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 3:05 AM

     

     

    ‘Scottish football feels like a fake league now. The taste is not very nice.’

     

     

     

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    As good a summary of the zeitgeist as you’ll get.

     

     

    But the cause isn’t because the huns were excluded from the league. That was inevitable when they entered liquidation. Legally their club died. The problem isn’t that they died, it’s that everyone, in particular Celtic, have pretended otherwise. That’s the root cause of the malaise. And all to protect the investment of an absentee owner.

  7. GENE on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 7:54 AM

     

    “Good morning from a grey and overcast ( matching my mood) North Staffs.

     

    Off to Mass then going to watch my grandsons play football which is always a pleasure.”

     

     

    Perspective & priorities, well done GENE, por cierto.

  8. I think Neil should go. I also think the huns will probably win the league. I can’t believe how badly we’ve regressed this season and there’s more than one man to blame for that.

     

     

    Players perpetually injured, taking months to get up to speed, just not feeling up to playing, is all symptomatic of a group wanting to avoid responsibility and not really respecting their manager.

     

     

    We don’t look fit and we don’t look coached. Remove him now because for weeks we’ve been waiting to see things turn but they aren’t and they won’t, sadly.

  9. lets all do the huddle on

    cant disagree with any of that

     

     

    apart from thinking the huns will win the league

     

     

    im on the fence with that one at the moment

  10. lets all do the huddle on

    The problem isn’t that they died, it’s that everyone, in particular Celtic, have pretended otherwise. That’s the root cause of the malaise.

     

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    but howver that club now known as rangers came to be in the same league we are in doesnt mean we shouldnt be playing better against them than we have been

     

     

    they werent given 500 million quid to sign all the best players in the world so they could win the league

     

     

    we still have the most money to sign players and the momentum of winning 9 leagyes in a row that should mean we do much better against them than we have been doing

     

     

    this is a failure of player recruitment and coaching

  11. Have avoided here for the last 24hrs.But I would just like to say that I too was very very dissapointed with the result and mainly the performance.

     

    But you know what ?…I have faith in Celtic and I have faith in Neil Lennon.

     

    I am positive he will get us going again and I refuse to accept we will not win the championship until we don’t.

     

    This team have enough credit in the bank for me on the domestic front.

     

    Our challengers have improved out of sight in their quality compared to what the previous Celtic manager faced.

     

    The one thing that will make winning the league easy for our challengers this season is a complete civil war at celtic park and huge shit storm over getting rid of our manager.

     

    However if we keep our cool,bide our time things could look very different again in a few months time.

     

    It hurts of course right now but we have no god given right to win every league championship and indeed every single domestic honour.

     

    One day that was always going to change …even though it still hasn’t yet.

     

     

    Remember what this club is all about bhoys and girls.

     

    Have a moan ,have a dig and vent your frustration ….but remember it is better to wake up a Celtic fan every morning win or lose than to be associated with that manky mob accross the city.

  12. onenightinlisbon on

    The morning after the day before feels no better.

     

     

    Massive game against the dandy Dons next week – a must win I would say.

     

     

    Wonder who the mole inside Celtic park is re the team?

     

     

    Surprised he/she not revealing more than that?

  13. Lax security at Celtic Park/ Lennoxtown is a worry but there’s not much can be done to combat a determined sleekit……..or a disgruntled fitba’ player with an axe to grind……….

  14. Our continual selling of our best players, as is the remit, and not replacing with anywhere near the same quality has come home to roost. Whereas they have had almost the same players for 3 years, and have gelled into a unit, knowing what everyone of them is doing, and what their limits are, is a big reason why the game went the way it did yesterday. They’re settled, we change every single season to accommodate the need for dividends. We never get 2 seasons in a row with a settled team, ok we didn’t sell anyone this time, but we always buy projects then try to fit them into the team to see if they could be worth something of value in 2 years time. God help us next season, more than half the team want away, and they will be sold, and we’ll start from scratch again! por cierto

  15. LETS ALL DO THE HUDDLE on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 10:05 AM

     

     

     

    If Celtic win 10 in a row the huns will be facing an existential crisis.

     

     

    That threat is exacerbated by the possibility of there being no fans allowed next season.

     

     

    How many season books would Celtic sell next season if the huns are no onger in the league?

  16. The hand of God on

    Henry Henry….”I’d rather Celtic fail than NFL not succeeding this season”…I’ve no idea what that statement means mate a bit too cryptic for me.NFL ,whilst being a great servant to Celtic and enduring horrific abuse whilst at the club ,is not Celtic.I realise he has suffered from depression and would hate to think it has returned but something is not right within the club between the management and the playing staff and whatever it is has to be addressed. Everyone who has watched Celtic this season despite a very good run of results (excluding Ferencvaros) knows that we are playing well short of the level the players are capable of and this season is too important for us to self implode.

  17. onenightinlisbon on

    ERNIE LYNCH on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 10:17 AM

     

     

    As I have stated on here many times, I do not think Lawwell or desmond would be overly upset about Sevco winning the league this season. “Old Firm” parity means more cash long term.

  18. ONENIGHTINLISBON on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 10:19 AM

     

     

    Celtic are conflicted. The huns aren’t. They are desperate to survive. That’s the difference

  19. Galling defeat yesterday, especially after last seasons outings against them in Nov/Dec. We need to get our mojo going for thursdays game against AC Milan, whatever the result we need to compete and regain some belief in ourselves to then give us a platform to tackle Aberdeen away on sunday. If we can get our attitude right, win our game in hand we’ll only be 1 point behind them. Keep the faith Celtic

  20. onenightinlisbon on

    ERNIE LYNCH on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 10:21 AM

     

     

    That’s what happens when sharp suited money makers run a football club.

  21. LAZYDYNAMITE on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 10:10 AM

     

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    I wish I had your blind faith mate. And I don’t mean to be derogatory when I say that.

     

    We have regressed to such a rapid degree and watching Lenny sit there clueless while we do it suggests to me that he won’t turn this around in our current state.

     

    His initial team selections and inability to have a plan B ( I can’t believe he started the second half with the same 11 who finished the first 45 mins) suggests something is far wrong. How we fix it, I haven’t a clue. Maybe WGS, maybe Eddie Howe. Maybe try and get in one of the coaches from any of the recent European teams who sent us packing in the CL. Who knows? It sure is a tricky one. But the one thing that is patently staring us all in the face right now is that Lenny and his “coaching staff” look incapable of turning anything around.

     

    If he even just at one time came out and said he got it wrong I’d maybe have a bit of faith in him. Unfortunately, nothing is showing any signs of putting anything right. If anything, it’s getting worse, far worse

  22. For me the team leaking issue is a deflection tactic, the team has been leaked since Rodgers time, not saying it is the same person or people but it has been a long term issue. Coaching fitness motivation morale and people knowing their roles in the team are far bigger issues, sad to say i do not think we have it within our staff.

  23. If there’s anyone unfit and needing game time to get fit or “get to know” their team-mates………play them thursday,……..get us upto speed quickly. Forget about the result and commit to a team shape. This season the next League game is the most important in the calendar, not Europe imo.

     

     

    If the rest sense blood in the water, Neil will be undone quicker than the Rekord can produce a Celts in Crisis front page splash…………….

     

     

    Amber warning lights flashing – lets avoid them turning red.

  24. Go tell the Spartim on

    What is our football philosophy, what is our style …. f*cked if I know

     

     

    Something has got to change, heaven forfend we lose the next two games as NFL has nowhere to hide, I’d rather he left and we got a replacement, but he’s still here and until that’s not the case….

     

     

    We lack fitness, fight and options a,b and c

     

     

    As EL said, Lawwell and Desmond wouldn’t be too upset if triggers broom won the league, and if your reading PL, be careful with that, your income next year will disappear in a flash and then it’s all on you (let’s see you earn that bonus then)

  25. It won’t be the first time that a squad has stopped playing for the manager/coaches. Happens all over world football.

     

     

    Outcome is always the same, manager/coaches are replaced.

     

     

    Tough decision is when to do it, and will it be soon enough to make a difference this season.

  26. TH

     

    It is easier to lose a manager and coaches than a squad of players that dont fancy what you are doing, thats why they get sacked, players hold the power and they know it, few really care about playing for the jersey and the fans though plenty say they do , actions speak louder , I think NL’s time is up now, I wouldnt wait.

     

    McGregor has told us that there are a few internal issues before they can kick on , its not up for debate now but who is going to sort these issues because sorted they need, this cannot go on.

  27. you know what , one of the most galling things about yesterday’s game was once again our defensive positional line at one of them’s goals from the free kick , we have 2 international’s centre backs playing and an international goal keeper and we decided and not for the first time to all stand on the 18 yard line very close to our goal , why oh why do we not take them away from our goal honestly school bhoy stuff , we then allow thems player to stand 17 yards from our goal and instead of holding the line for offside our international centre back panics and plays him onside , everyone and their granny knows that them’s do this every game and once again a glaring over sight from our so called coaching staff.

  28. onenightinlisbon on

    DESSYBHOY on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 11:13 AM

     

     

    Internal issues? What does McGregor mean by that? Why even say it?

  29. ONIL

     

    Read the article on the right hand side under Calmac and clarion call its in that.It is now not there im sure it was a quote from the Sunday Herald, he obviously wants to let people know all is not well , this abcess needs burst today.

  30. My friends in Celtic,

     

     

    Apart from Stephen Welsh it is very difficult to find any positives about yesterday.

     

     

    Our performance was dire, no different to previous games. Results have to a certain extent have camouflaged dismal performances.

     

     

    Callum McGregor is regressing and he is not the only ones. Our new acquisitions ( With the possible exception of Ajeti ) have not really had the impact we all desired.

     

    Our management team look jaded and unable to endorse change.

     

    Our main rival in Scotland has progressed and it has to be said ( unfortunately) they are quite a good team.

     

     

    We need the 10 but we also need European football. We need to keep our profile high as our domestic format shrinks.

     

     

    It is inconceivable that the huns progress in Europe and we don’t.

     

    So yes we must battle on two fronts.

     

     

    The big question is what do we do about it ?

     

     

    HH to all.

     

     

    PS : As we approach winter will dull muddy pitches I would rather have had Scott McKenna in our defence rather than ” skilled” European players who can only play in pristine condition with a Billiard ball surface. This judgment folly will haunt us much more than John McGinn.

  31. If Damien Duff was still a part of the coaching team,he probably would have got it tight on here ,We Supporters all love Celtic ,but when we watch that shambles yesterday,with not one single target shot,and players not looking if they have been motivated,then something is seriously wrong,Why didn’t Lennon change the formation after half time,and Lawell who would be watching it on Sky ,in all honesty what would he be thinking watch that performance .

  32. bhoy oh bhoy it feels worse this morning.

     

    what can we do but get on with it

     

     

    win the game in hand and we’re well in it

     

    try and get the squad fit

     

    try and get a preferred 11 so the players can get used to playing together

     

    somebody’s gotta help lennie out – a team with a limited game plan will play the same game against us next time as they have done the last 3 times to very good effect; we need strategies to counter that game plan not hit it up to OE and hope he plays a blinder

     

    Ely – at best , the jury’s out

     

    Duffy needs to raise his standards bigtime

     

    Barkas is no FF

     

     

    the huns are now favourites; that may help us

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