I know you don’t need to rehearse the Resolution 12 debate as you’ll know it instinctively now, but, as always, we are indebted to eyes outside of Scotland calling for insight and governance in the Scottish game on an issue only tangentially related.
Yesterday, The Offshore Game, ran a report that the SFA may have misled the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission inquiry into Rangers failure to register players on an industrial scale during their EBT years.
While the SFA were swatting away questions into how Rangers were cleared to participate in Uefa competitions in 2011, less than a year before disappearing into insolvency, chief operating officer, Andrew McKinlay inadvertently turned the spotlight on the reliability of evidence placed before Lord Nimmo Smith.
Questions around the awarding of Rangers Uefa licence in 2011 were asked in the dark as no one outside the club, SFA and Uefa knew what information had been submitted, and the SFA didn’t know what the club submitted to Uefa.
There was a belief that the club may have not disclosed a letter concerning the Wee Tax Case from HMRC to the SFA in 2011. Mr McKinlay wrote to the requisitioners saying that he “did not accept that” this information was not brought to the SFA’s attention in 2011 – two years before Nimmo Smith sat.
This assertion tidied up the Res 12 issue at Hampden, but as The Offshore Game makes clear, why on earth did the SFA’s evidence to Lord Nimmo Smith on the Wee Tax Case not reflect the correspondence they had on file? In short, it was accepted by all that schemes scrutinised by the Wee Tax Case were unlawful.
Nimmo Smith didn’t hear this, in fact, he heard was that Rangers tax schemes were legal, and concluded, therefore, as any other club could have used them, no sporting advantage was accrued.
The Offshore Game call for scrutiny of the SFA over this by the parliamentary Culture, Media and Sport select committee. This call will be magnified should the Supreme Court uphold HMRC’s position on the Big Tax Case.
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Confession- I’m a lazy poster !
I should have noted the monikers of the bhoys who this morning , were kind enough to respond to two of my posts regarding Nimmo and ” Racism” ?
Nimmo-
I accept that using an example of me robbing a bank was perhaps the wrong example to use however , as their EBTs were deemed to be apparently ” legal” at that time ? Robbing abank is apparently not ? Pity.
Is it true to state that due to the possibility of ” new evidence” coming to light, such as oldco and the SFA, NOT providing ALL available evidence to Nimmos inquiry, that somehow Nimmos inquiry could be deemed to be unlawful, as that inquiry failed to consider ALL evidence that was in existence, but NOT considered at that time ?
Racism-
Obviously the word/ description Fenian is not racist/ offensive on its own, but allow me to give you a FACTUAL example of how a certain word COMBINED with the word ” barsteward” ? actually leads to someone being arrested by the cops.
At CP during a game against the Hun, a young friend if ours was huckled by the cop Celtic end and taken to the station and charged . His crime ? He shouted that the ref was an ” Orange Barsteward”.
I never saw that young fella again but his cousin who I knew and who was present that Saturday afternoon went to London Road Police station after the match, and on asking about his young cousin, another cop asked him, ” what did he get jailed for” ?
My mate quickly replied, ” Cos he’s a Celtic fan” !
The Polis was not amused, and my mates young cousin spent the weekend in the cells.
Now, if I shout to someone in the street, ” Your Orange”, how can that be offensive etc, especially if that other buy is ” orange” ?
However,if I shout ” your an orange barsteward”, that combination of orange and barsteward can be deemed as offensive and possibly racist ?
I don’t know any more, I used to be smarter than this…old age.
COYBIG.
Ah see it now and, no it wisny a typo
How much is Dembele going for now?
PL must be rubbing his hands like he rubs shoulders with other rich people in the middle east.
Nae bother eh.
And who would have thought the PLC would have taken advantage of the warmth generated by Celtic fans, what a shock eh.
HH
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14470090.Warburton_urges_Rangers_fans_to_smash_Ibrox_season_ticket_sales_record_this_summer/?ref=mc&lp=9
Asked if Rangers would be able to compete for the Premiership in an interview with BT Sport, he said: “We have to. Second is last. From a Rangers perspective, second is last. You have to make sure you understand that. If you do, you are halfway there to recognising what they expect as a group of supporters and as a club.
and from the man who came in second and understands a lot
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/ally-mccoist-best-of-the-rest-would-be-a-rangers-triumph-1-4292753
McCoist is at odds with general belief that it is second or bust for Warburton at Ibrox. “I think some people might think that. I think second would be a good achievement actually but I don’t think it’s second or bust. I certainly don’t think anyone should be losing their job if they finish in the top four.
Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/rangers/ally-mccoist-best-of-the-rest-would-be-a-rangers-triumph-1-4292753
This so called offence happened on the terracing in the Celtic end during the mid 1970s !
Myself and a few others told the Cops when the arrested this friend if ours ( maybe about 17 ?), how can you arrest him for that , why don’t you arrest everyone on that pitch ?
Or words to that effect, but hopefully you get my drift ?
HH
Kevj
Nothing wrong with John Ogilvie HS ya rebel
I wouldn’t want the UAE money.
BIG JIMMY on 18TH NOVEMBER 2016 10:25 AM
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LNS – Was allowed to act the dafty, kiddin-on that he was duped etc coz, he and the establishment knew that the Cellic PLC would look the other way.
Even the Aberdeen fans who came to CP sortly after the outcome, waved a banner at the Cellic fans that day that read….”Celtic FC – Your Silence Is Deafening !”
Do you think that – for example, if our club had a rebellious leader who would rattle the cages, a NFL of the boardroom, that the huns would have gotten away with what they have ?
Ye see, the Cellic supporters are on the ‘outside’ of they’re club and, no matter how many of them turn up for games – they have no clout except for when they leave empty 30,000 seats and, the prospect of those seats not being renewed….then the PLC will ACT by, bringing in Brendan!!!
Now, can ye imagine the re-action of the PLC if – 30,000 Cellic supporters had issued a threat to the PLC that, seats would not be renewed until….LNS was ‘properly’ investigated ???
Then, and only then,….will the PLC take on the establishment….imho.
HH
TONYDONNELLY
Brian Quinn apparently told-not suggested to-the ibrox board that their payment process was illegal.
I wouldn’t say we set them up,but when they told us to stuff our Timmy advice up our law-abiding Timmy arse,we might have struck a hell-mend-them attitude.
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 18TH NOVEMBER 2016 10:31 AM
Kevj
Nothing wrong with John Ogilvie HS ya rebel
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Hail Hail Amigo, hope all are well.
Aye, it was a guid school but, for sumdy who dogged it most of the time…
…let’s just say – ah had more on ma mind.
HH
PL: Hello
THE MIDDLE EAST: Yes, hello Peter, just calling to pay tribute to the wonderful Celtic supporters and to say how we appreciate the fantastic support they showed for the Palestinian people.
PL: oh aye, right….them….well
TME: And can i just say that in light of the wonderful gesture of the Celtic supporters, we would like to repond to that wonderful support in some way.
PL….REALLY!…..yes, thats sounds wonderful….however, you do realise that it wasnt just my punters that made that happen you know.
TME: Yes, Celtic supporters are well known for their humanity.
PL: ah, well…ah suppose so……but, what was that you were saying about a meeting to discuss how you can contribute.
TME: Yes by all means Peter…you must visit us.
HH
BIGJIMMY
How’s yer legal challenge progressing?
And,did you get in touch with BIG NAN?
There’s a fella I would have on my side if I was up against the legal profession and/or masonry.
Strangely,he said he had only ever met two lawyers he trusted-and one of them,unknown to him,posts on here!
Regardless,good luck with it.
HH
KEVJ 1039
“Do you think that – for example, if our club had a rebellious leader who would rattle the cages, a NFL of the boardroom, that the huns would have gotten away with what they have ?”
Have to say that sounds like a job for Fergus McCann,the only person ever to take on the SFA hierarchy and get the heid honcho sacked.
Thoughts on your greatest-ever Celt posing with his friends the other day?
This is when I go, awwwwwwwww ffs? Pass the chrystal meths, take it easy there tiger.
http://www.indycelts.com/palestinian-tifo-vs-barca-could-win-arab-billions/
VFR800…..
Tried to email you re race night – keep getting bounced. do you have an alternative address / or you can get mine from Paul67 cheers
This article investigates the reasoning for Moussa to have turned his back, at least in the short term, on the EPL and makes some good comparisons between Moussa and similar young players on the European stage.
How Manchester United target Moussa Dembele has gone from a £500,000 Celtic signing to one of the most coveted young strikers in Europe by avoiding the Premier League
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3947936/How-Manchester-United-target-Moussa-Dembele-gone-500-000-Celtic-signing-one-coveted-young-strikers-Europe-avoiding-Premier-League.html
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I note that a heated driveway is being installed in the environs of BRTH’s house. Can anyone explain?
BIG JIMMY on 18TH NOVEMBER 2016 10:31 AM
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Ah got ejected from the ground when ah was 13 at Cellic Park in 1977.
My mates and I were on the back of the Jungle wall hanging onto a big thick green metal pipe that ran all the length of the Jungle wall and we were singing about Billy Reid and got to the bit,…”…although he was dead, he was kicked in the head and was dragged by the hair all around…” we shouted Orange b’s at that bit as a wee add-on that we used to sing on the train….cops grabbed 4 of us and flung us ootside the park. It was freezing cauld midweek vs the huns and ah think w won 1-0 ?
Nae charges or whatever…just put ootside.
HH
KevJ are the Celtic board any better or any worse the any other football board in the UK? If so names please. H H Hebcelt
HRVATSKI JIM
It’s for when he needs to entertain important guests. Not a problem. It also keeps his cocoa warm as he wishes them farewell as they leave.
If Celtic are to introduce more safe standing area’s.which I hope they do.anybody have any ideas were the next area will be.also if it’s not to much ask ,will there be any more developments in and around Paradise,thanks
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 18TH NOVEMBER 2016 10:52 AM
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My thoughts about the photie are on the previous page.
Fergus McCann put his investment – before – justice for the Cellic in 1994 as I’ve already covered with you.
Seriously…..do you want us investigated by the MODERATOR again ?
Then again,….maybe ye do ?
HEBCELT on 18TH NOVEMBER 2016 11:04 AM
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The Cellic PLC are responsible for the direction of an entity that is stamped onto my soul.
Any other club….not interested.
Not being twisted….just the way that I see it.
Hope yer well fella.
HH
….phone-call-oot…
Citibhoy on 18th November 2016 10:55 am
E-mail me on vfr800a8@me.com
KTF
TIMBHOY3 on 18th November 2016 11:05 am
The stadium, fan experience and safety at other stadiums is the topic for next week with JPT so send your questions to competition@celticquicknews.co.uk
KTF
The biggest threat to safety at Celtic Park is the polis and the stewards I am reliably told.
KEVJ
You are free to air your thoughts,and I am free to disagree.
You are also free to view such dissent as a threat,post accordingly,and hope the mods take the easy way out.
As I’ve said before,you have a very thin skin when it comes to dissent.
Lighten up a bit. Smile. View life as a pleasure,you’ll be surprised how much you enjoy it.
TBB 10.00
An excellent and precise summing up.
As regards keeping the lid on the SPL lawyers Harper Macleod were written to from SFM in 2014 with a batch of documents revealing the true nature of the DOS ebts and the side letters to De Boer and Flo.
That batch included a HMRC letter of 23 Feb 2011 which contained much of the same content as is in the 20th May 2011 that the SFA appear to admit (and should have had) is in their possession from May 2011.
That letter to Harper Macleod was “legalled” in the sense that the draft was seen by a lawyer who agreed with the Conclusions that the failure to supply that information rendered the LNS Decision untenable.
Harper Macleod’s response made little sense and further correspondence copied to the SPL Board was eventually passed to the SFA!
Neither the SFA or the SPL/SPFL acted on the information received.
Same 3 monkey routine after the original TJN report and unless supporters demand that LNS be laid aside regardless of the final BTC decision, we are in effect say it’s ok to lie to us, in order to cover up the enormity of the damage inflicted on our game. As long as our teams are out there every Saturday and enough turn up to watch we accept we are not worth the truth or accept the illusion it is a sport.
The latest TJN report could end up the same way but the linkage to Res12 is absolutely clear and that point will be made to Celtic who indicated in November last they would act on LNS once the final decision has been made.
James Forrest uses the Ratner analogy and it’s not far off. The charade that passes as governance has to end and LNS is an issue that affects all SPFL clubs since it was their Commission that was subverted.
Assuming of course Regan and Doncaster were not in cahoots long before Hugh Adams forced action in March 2012 in his interview with Alex Thomson.
VFR@GIRFUY.CO.UK
Sent you an email re the race night!
The biggest threat to Celtic park for safety are the polis, and that’s after a game, traffic or PC plod, not a one will you find within the footprint of Celtic park after the final whistle, they’r awe halfway home by them, shower a iceholes the lot of them.
PHILBHOY
Cracking domain,that addy!
BMCUWP
Indeed it is!
Hope you are good!
Got my day organised tomorrow.
Edinburgh Christmas shopping, eating and drinking, with the ghirls so should be fun!
IKI: You have mail.
Ticket, Thermals, Rugby Park Tonight, to see the Famous Glasgow Celtic
VFR: I’m working on some questions:-)
BMCW
Yup Brian Quinn that’s the man, he more or less told them, I think your fecked.
The Mighty Quinn – great chairman…and brilliant in Zorba the Greek…
Kev Jungle 18TH NOVEMBER 2016 7:54 AM
I remember talk of a dossier but what I was told and I think it became public when George Peat spoke about it is Celtic had a DVD of referee decisions that were questionable.
The story goes that Ton Mowbray was invited to sit with Hugh Dallas and examine each.
Dallas then gave his explanation and if Tony M was sceptical the question was “are you not accepting what I say or are you questioning the referre’s integrity?”
There are 2 points from this. Celtic were not happy with the SFA and without proof they were screwed.
They were also unhappy with the way the review panel was run and were very happy to take a resolution from the floor on that subject and more from an Open Meeting in St Marys around the same time to the SFA and that process was changed.
Things aren’t always as we see them.