The Hooiveld – Samaras point

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Our best wishes to Jos Hooiveld, 28, who has managed to resurrect his career at Southampton 23 months after completing an unsuccessful move to Celtic.  Southampton, newly promoted to the English Championship this season, sit top of the division, with Jos a key part of their success.

The big defender clearly has more than he was able to demonstrate during his time here, despite Celtic clearly being in need of a strong central defender.  Last night, after Georgios Samaras was send forward to lead the line, it occurred to my just how unsuitable he is as part of a front two.  All that gutsy energy, running and yes – bravery – both in terms of diving into challenges and always being available for a team mate, no matter what feedback he is receiving from the stands, is hidden when he’s up front.

Give him space to gallop into on the wing or let him find his own Southampton.

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  1. James Forrest is Lennon on

    The Honest Cover-up:

     

     

    Haha. All true. I didn’t see that bit about the stadium. Hilarious. They did such a bang-up job on redevelopment around Ibrox, didn’t they? How much was it again they were going to spend? £500 million wasn’t it? I was sitting in work that day when someone brought me that Sunday Mail over and asked what I thought. I went online, did a couple of hours basic research on how Arsenal paid for their own stadium and was able to demolish the whole story in a 7000 worder I spent the next three hours writing for ETims. Five hours maximum, to discredit a story the Mail claimed to have been working on for weeks. Joke.

     

     

    They are beyond parody now. The more sensible elements of their support must be absolutely sick.

  2. My dear,dear,dear,friend.. Top Guy

     

     

    Pally.. Hiya?

     

     

    Yep.. Good Point, which ye Raised.. Andy Carroll, indeed.

     

     

    Andy Carroll.. according, tae reports.. Is Mair Than Over Priced..

     

     

    he is.. OBSCENELY OVER PRICED.

     

     

    Naebuddy, kin ever accuse Kenny Dee of Being

     

    Miserly..

     

     

    Wi’ Everybuddy Else’s Money…of Course!!

     

     

    Yep , Naebuddy,as weel.. kin ever Deny ..

     

    That Kenny Dee, never Met a Player,whom He widnae Over Pay Fur!

     

     

     

    Kojo

     

    yer pal..who likes ye aloater

  3. Premiership class ranges all the way from Wayne Rooney, David Silva & Luis Suarez to Titus Bramble, Stephen Dobbie & James McArthur.

     

     

    Any Celtic first team player currently can be rated alongside the likes of Dean Whitehead, James Collins & Clint Dempsey- guys who hold down places with mid table clubs.

     

     

    We do not need to talk our players down- the Premiership have many great players. Their top clubs will have 10 to 20 of them, the middling clubs will have 4 or 5 and the bottom clubs have 1 or 2.

     

     

    I cannot think of any starting 11 Celt for whom I would have difficulty in finding a poorer comparative player in a starting 11 for an EPL club.

     

     

    Mind you Kojo would have swapped Aiden McGeady for Liam Lawrence :-)

  4. The Singing Detective on

    Sir Kojo.

     

     

    Trust a grifter like you to forget business is business…

     

     

    If Brown signs for Liverpool ,you can expect him to play a mere handful of games,before being sold to a lower league team for a profit.

     

     

    Likewise Kayal will be worth substansially more the day after he signs for Liverpool,and will be traded at a profit.

     

     

    Oh,and I believe that you are correct when you say the long streak of misery that is Obama will create 200,000 jobs next year….in his new ‘Civil Militia’,no doubt .

  5. James Forrest

     

     

    Ever considered going into politics, of course you have, I asked you twice earlier and you did the politicians move by ignoring my questions.

     

     

    Not having a go btw, if you made a mistake, fair enough, but ffs, when you state things as you do, make sure you know yer facts.

     

     

    The euro licences have feck all to do with whytie, they are the previous boards problem,not that they will be a problem mind you, move along Timmy,nothing to see here Timmy.

     

     

    James, you are a star, you write like I think, I wish I had half your elbow.

  6. My dear,dear,dear,friend..The Singing Detective.

     

     

    Hiya, Kid..

     

     

    Great tae Meet and Greet!

     

     

    Obama, is a Guy,who thinks he has died and Gone tae the Big

     

    Golf Course..In the Sky!

     

     

    Eethur, There..or. the

     

    “Big Rock Candy Mountain”!

     

     

     

     

    Between , Playing Golf.. Going oan Exotic Vacations.. Fourteen o Them, So faur.. This Year Alone!.. Playing Bounce Games,in the White Hoose Exercise Yard, wi his Home Boys..

     

     

    Why Obama is PlumB Tuckered Oot..

     

     

    So How Kin Ye expect him tae Hiv Time tae Worry aboot.. The U.S. Economy.?

     

     

    He leaves that Stuff Tae.. Michelle..

     

     

    Let Her Tak Care of It… efter awe she Runs the Hoose..

     

     

    and who is Mair Qualified tae Run a Hoose that a Hoose Wife..

     

     

    The Fact that this Wan Happens tae Be “White”

     

     

    Should No mak any Difference??

     

     

    President’s Wives Have always ran The White Hoose..

     

     

    Think aboot it… Dolly Madison.. Eleanor Rooseveldt..Pat..

     

    every wan wore the Troosers..

     

     

     

     

    And Why No?

     

     

    Nancy, Did A Bang up Joab o’ taking care of Things at The Helm.. while Ronnie, dozed.. and Boy did he Doze!

     

     

    Remember,that Unforgettable Snap shot of Him..

     

     

    Dozing Happily,in a Comfy chair ,in the Vatican. while He wiz in

     

    Audience wi the Then ,Pope..

     

     

    Where am A Going Wi Awe This?

     

     

    Dunno.. but..

     

     

    You Started It!

     

     

    Kojo

     

    yer pal, who likes ye aloater.

  7. Gotta Go.

     

     

    Good Night Scotland

     

    Good Night Ireland

     

    Good Night Wales

     

    Good Night England

     

    Good Night Canada

     

    Good Night New Zealand.

     

    Good Night Australia.

     

     

    And

     

     

    Good Night.. Tony McMahon, wherever you are

     

     

    Kojo

  8. The Singing Detective on

    Kojo.

     

     

    Poor Obama’s plum tuckered-out having to read all the autocues…he surely needs another vacation just about now.

     

     

    I see Newt Gingrich is happy to let Obama use his precious autocue in presidential debates,if he gets the GOP nomination.Good Catholic Irish Boy.

     

    I’m sure Maggie McGill kisses her poster of him every bed-time.

     

     

    Aye,Newt Gingrich,with Sarah Palin as running mate…

     

     

    Unstoppable.

  9. James Forrest is Lennon on

    THE EXILED TIM:

     

     

    Apologies fella, I thought I had made it clear I wasn’t talking about the Euro licenses! Let me try that again lol.

     

     

    The licensing responsibilities of the SFA include making sure that the people running clubs are the right sort of people to be involved in the game. That is not the kind of issue which one can simply sidestep. There are issues of commercial viability, corporate responsibility, public interest and even public saftey involved in making sure that the people who are stakeholders in the national sport are not people who will endanger it, its reputation or clubs within it.

     

     

    Craig Whyte, and Rangers, had a statutory obligation to disclose any information related to those rtules to the relevent licensing body, in this case the SFA. This is not just about the right of said body to play in a national league structure; SFA clubs participate in all manner of other arenas, some of them tax payer funded. The game in this country is, itself, partly tax payer funded and that makes it all the more incumbent on the SFA to take the fit and proper person criteria seriously. The licensing issue at play here is the one which allows Craig Whyte to control a club with a huge say in the running of the game.

     

     

    It is clear that either Whyte and Rangers did not disclose that information when they were asked if there was anything relevent they NEEDED to disclose, or the SFA failed to ask the proper questions, and either way everyone involved in this shambles is in a big pile of steaming dung.

     

     

    There is no way this simply goes away. This goes beyond football. UEFA themselves can step in it at this point if the national association is seen to be ignoring its own rules and handing out licenses to teams which otherwise would not comply.

     

     

    Paul McConville over on the RTC blog believes Rangers do have a legal argument for maintaing the SFA’s five year term is applicable from the start of the ban only, and does not begin when the ban itself finishes. He thinks the article is so poorly worded Rangers can argue the very lack of clarity makes the SFA’s case untenable. But where there is NO argument is if the SFA specifically asked Rangers if there was anything they needed to know and the club failed to supply that information, or lied about it. If the SFA did NOT ask the question, we are entitled to know how seriously they take their role and how many other instances there have been where they failed in their basic licensing duties, such as with the continual question over the UEFA licenses themselves.

     

     

    Yes, not Craig Whyte’s problem but a BIG problem for the SFA if their practices and commitment to the rules is shredded in light of this case.

     

     

    No-one at Rangers or the Association walks out of this with clean hands, that’s for sure. Someone either lied or wasn’t doing their job.

  10. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on

    Awe_Naw..,

     

    disagree, if it allad to start again, I experct there would be enough transparancy to make it work.

     

    Trick is would we then want to leave, in the only straight league in the world, do we really wanto move to a bigger version of a bent league ?

     

    Make this one good nd the rest will follow :o)

  11. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on

    Just reading about rangers the tax case there, on the so called quality press and so far through all the gliterrati, I read say they are trading whilst insolvent, is that no a crime ?

     

    Well my interpretation is pretty crude, but ffs :o)

  12. Tom McLaughlin on

    So Martin O’Neill finally gets to manage the team he supported as a boy.

     

     

    Should be interesting.

  13. Margaret McGill on

    The Singing Detective says:

     

    2 December, 2011 at 00:25

     

     

    Did you just call me a hun?

  14. Margaret McGill on

    Never no never no never no more will I trust the elves of Dunsinmore

     

     

    When will the good Scotch return?

     

    In all its scarred, splendor,

     

    When will the price of Scotch come down?

     

    Here’s him in nearly ’85

     

    Hanging around with pop scum

     

    It’s not the business I despise

     

    On this train, extended ride

     

    It’s the Scotch end of the market now

     

    And steel glasses

     

    And bad music corpses

     

    Cannot hide the new rock scum

     

    Spitting on what’s good and gone

     

    When will the price of Scotch come down?

     

    Arrangement before job done

     

    Alignment before job done

     

    Assignment before song sung

     

    Alignment before job done

     

    All of this fantastic league’s against me

     

    The Fantastic is in league against me

     

    Tin-can rattle on the path

     

    The bestial greed is on the attack

     

    The cat black runs round the tree and spat

     

    The Siamese reached the shore

     

    No never, no never no more

     

    will I trust the elves of Dunsimore

  15. Margaret McGill on

    Tom McLaughlin says:

     

    2 December, 2011 at 04:06

     

     

    From Black Monday to the Black Country to the Black Cats.

     

    I thought his favourite colour was green

  16. morning bhoys & mags..

     

     

    quiet night shift not much to catch up with…

     

     

    I’ll leave the weather forcast to Jobo..

  17. saltires en sevilla on

    Good morning fellow Celts from (it’s too early to tell what weather is doing) North Hampshire

     

     

    just catching up after a busy few days and delighted our young team could compete with a La Liga team and unlucky not to grab a point

     

     

    would have been delighted we still had qualification in our own hands going into the last game when the draw was made..a sign of progress and the management and players are learning whilst playing decent fitba

     

     

    Sad to see some posters (Paddy Gallagher and Honest Mistake and others) getting stuck into Dushanbe Billyboy during the game. That does you no credit lads. I have known Ulsterman, Liam from the Uni bus for 30 years and have been to many games with him including behind the oul’ Iron Curtain. Following the Celts, when getting more than one European tie a season was considered a good campaign. He is a true Bhoy and you guys are showing a lack of quality in your judgement.

     

     

    The best thing about this site is how Paul67 allows everyone to have a voice (within the rules) and resists calls to ban people with alternative or individual views. For me that is the Celtic Way ..open and inclusive

     

     

    The thing about cliques is…they are dead obvious and not very nice at all…a form of hunnery & bullying and not really the Celtic Way

     

     

    HH

     

     

    M

     

     

    PS. DBB please ditch the CAPS ;-)

  18. Good morning from a frosty Livingston. Serious delays likely not that the 40mph SPECS cameras have been installed on the Glasgow airport flyover, down to one lane in both directions. Going to be there for some time, not good at all.

     

     

    Whadaya mean no CQN quiz tonight!!!!

     

     

    Hail Hail

  19. saltires en sevilla on

    Margaret McGill

     

     

    meant thank you for posting the link to the Di Stefano game the other night

     

     

    Jinky was really on fire and good to see some footage of John Fallon…a great ‘keeper and a true Celt

     

     

    HH

     

     

    M

  20. Lennon confident Brown situation will be resolved ‘the way we want it to be’

     

     

    • Neil Lennon: ‘I certainly don’t get the impression Scott is leaving. He has told me he wants to stay’

     

     

    Michael Grant 2 Dec 2011

     

     

    Scott Brown, the Celtic captain, has told manager Neil Lennon he has not held talks with any other club about a possible move from Parkhead.

     

     

    Brown yesterday entered the final six months of his contract and was technically free to have negotiations – without requiring Celtic’s permission – with anyone who might want to sign him. Despite speculation that he is wanted by Newcastle United – whose reserve coach, Willie Donachie, attended Celtic’s midweek European tie against Atletico Madrid – Brown has reassured Lennon that he does not want to leave.

     

     

    Celtic and Brown have been close to agreeing a new contract but there has been a sticking point over a fee being claimed by the Scotland midfielder’s representatives. Talks were due to be held on Tuesday but they had to be cancelled because Brown’s agents were unable to attend.

     

     

    “I have spoken to Scott and he says there has been no contact with any other clubs,” said Lennon. “He also said he is quite happy to stay and sign a contract. He can talk to other clubs now and we can’t stop him from doing that, but I am not convinced he will.

     

     

    “I certainly don’t get the impression he is leaving. He has told me he wants to stay and we’ve put the contract in front of him. There is just this matter of getting the problem sorted out and it has dragged its heels a little bit. It is not irking me, but I have to keep answering questions and I want it resolved sooner rather than later. I think it will be resolved the way we want it to be.”

     

     

    Lennon came on as a substitute against Atletico to make his first appearance after a ten-week injury lay-off. The home support’s reaction to their returning captain was noticeably low key, suggesting many were unimpressed by the fact he had yet to agree a new deal.

     

     

    “If he decides not to sign the contract he might get an adverse reaction from some supporters,” said Lennon. “Until that comes I think the supporters are right behind him. I think we missed him at times when he was out. If you look at his playing record since I have been manager we have won more games than not when he has been involved.” Brown, 26, signed from Hibs for £4.4m in 2007.

     

     

    The manager claimed to have received no approaches for any of his players other than Jos Hooiveld, whose loan move to Southampton was yesterday converted into a permanent transfer. Former manager Tony Mowbray paid £1.8m for the Dutchman in January, 2010, but he was unable to hold down a first team place.

  21. Good morning all and a Big Happy Friday from a decidedly colder but currently dry East Kilbride.

     

     

    Minus 1 forecast by the end of the weekend.

     

     

    Jobo

  22. The Honest Mistake on

    Morning saltires in sevilla.

     

    Nice post. I used to take the time to read your contributions, even the ones where you slagged off fellow fans and said you were ashamed to be a Celtic supporter. After being a named target in one of your rants, I’ll not bother now.

     

    Have a nice day.

  23. Just before I head to work, here’s my view on Wednesday’s goal.

     

     

    There is no doubt in my mind that Kayal did duck BUT I think his reason for doing so wasn’t out of a fear of getting smaecked by the ball. Rather it was a decision to ‘leave’ the ball (by ducking) in the expectation that either (a) it was going wide or (b) Fraser was on to it. So I do think it was his fault for the goal but simplydown to a rare moment of bad judgement (for him).

     

     

    Have a great Friday, Bhoys.

     

     

    Jobo

  24. saltires en sevilla on

    The Honest Mistake says:

     

    2 December, 2011 at 07:21

     

     

    Happy to set the record straight.

     

     

    HH

     

     

    M

  25. After wednesday’s match I have bought into the young developing squad spiel. I found it hard to take when that was used at the AGM as we were dreadful then but I can see where there they are coming from especially now Matthews, vic and forrest are putting in quality games.

  26. Still dark, but clear-skied and calm here in North Ayrshire.

     

     

    Rangers must be quaking at the prospect of an SFA “investigation”.