Billy McNeill and Davie Hay met the press at Celtic Park yesterday, along with Alex Gordon, who authored their time as managers of Celtic. It didn’t disappoint……
Billy was self-effacing as ever. For all purposes, today he is an ordinary Celtic fan, so much so you need to remind yourself that there is nothing in the club game he hasn’t done. Yesterday was about his days as Celtic manager but he made the point that Davie Hay was a profound influence on him as a team-mate.
The take-away thought I had on Davie Hay was about his range of knowledge and experience. He has done so much in the game which still pulses in his veins. Does Scotland still produce men of his calibre? If so, why are we not giving them a platform to flourish?
There is tons of great stuff in the book from both men:
“We were already a goal down nine minutes into the second-half when Johnny Doyle was ordered off. As he came off, I remember telling him he would be in serious trouble if we lost.
“I was furious, especially as we were in such a desperate situation at the time.
“Afterwards in the foyer, Jimmy Johnstone, Bobby Murdoch, Mike Jackson, Paul Wilson, Pat McCluskey, Benny Rooney and a whole host of former players were dancing around in amazement.
“Jinky was as happy as I’ve seen him. That win meant so much to anyone with an affiliation with Celtic.”
– Billy McNeill on winning the league against Rangers in 1979.
“I arranged for someone to cut out the stories and pin them to the walls of our dressing room at Love Street.
“I said nothing, but I could see the players reading the clippings. It was having the desired effect. It’s never clever to dismiss Celtic.
“It’s history now that we won 5-0 and Hearts lost 2-0.
“I think I still owe [Albert Kidd] a pint!”
-Davie Hay on winning the league at Love St in 1986.
The book’s great, reading the step-by-step accounts of what happened from the managers’ view, you’ll love it. I know I’m biased but it’s the best thing CQN has done, a wee bit of our history set down on record.
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The infamous 5 way agreement was, I believe, signed by Sevco 5088, Rangers Football Club (In Liquidation), SFA, SPL and the SFL.
Rangers gave up their SPL slot to Dundee, the SFL admitted Sevco 5088 to their bottom tier, and the SFA and SPL approved the deals. Sevco further agreed to pay the liquidated RFCs football debts and the football authorities undertook not to sue Sevco for any further debts. Likewise, Sevco undertook not to sue the football authorities if it turned out that any of the foregoing was actionable.
Why was all this done? Because Sevco, an off the shelf company, needed a licence to play football and this agreement was cobbled together to allow it. This proves that they are separate entities. Dundee Utd will take this matter all the way. Thompson is no mug and will remember the abuse and threats he received in 2012.
Memo to SFA
Quite while your behind.
Must appeal it,SFA bottle it again and let Thomson get bombs and bullets
Neil Doncaster boldly going where no choob has ever gone, is there any end to this mans lack of talent?
There’s something real and tangible here……………money.
Reports elsewhere suggest that the decision is final and binding. Both teams agreed to this prior to tribunal. No appeal possible.
…not too mention the possibility of ‘civil unrest’ if we upset ‘the people’. Secret agreements, shouldn’t be allowed in this day and age..
STV say no appeal,DU should have sussed a con trick coming.Compliant cheats.
Reports elsewhere suggest that the decision is final and binding. Both teams agreed to this prior to tribunal.
Why would anyone sign up to that is ANYTHING involving the SFA ,Doncaster & Sevco
is = in
Well I did say earlier they would find a way to squirm out of it, with celtic players it’s a no brainier 7 game ban, on what evidence? Non of yer fekin business Timmy, that’s it on yer way, thems? Sleekit and dark goings on every time, you didn’t think they where going to change the script did you? I’m glad they didn’t, because they are getting deeper and deeper in the brown stuff, it has to be stopped at some point.
If Dundee Utd agreed to a tribunal with no appeal then I’m afraid they’ve only got themselves to blame. Given what has gone before, they should have smelled a rat from the outset. Lord knows we all would have.
How much did Utd want to pay???
starry plough
Allegedly £100k
tonydonnelly67. How many years have you been saying that now ? They are helped at every turn and anything they do or have done wrong is overlooked they are the people of course H.H.
leftclicktic- surprised Thompson signed up to the ‘no appeal’,clause.Dealing with the SFA ,is like buying a car fae Arthur Daley.
Why anyone goes into any room with someone from the SFA or Sevco without a “brief” is beyond me.
They must have made a new tribunal rule that you can’t appeal?
Democratic rights papped oot the wundae, Ffs.
Had a read at that report and got to say
“No action was taken. Of these, the reason for no action was as follows:
o Not a crime: 2”
From the report, it is the best stat I’ve read since I seen this
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y5dy9URkLFI
but it’s really not funny, the Scottish Police have a problem when statistics like this highlight both incompetence and aggression. It’s a bigger problem for those subjected to that incompetence and aggression.
going on what United offered £100k and been told to pay £160k, presumeably the Deadies wanted £300k ? So there has been a fudge ?
LiviBhoy
A very accurate summing up.
HH
joe filippis haircut
15:36 on 9 December, 2014
tonydonnelly67. How many years have you been saying that now ? They are helped at every turn and anything they do or have done wrong is overlooked they are the people of course H.H.
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I know but Ffs surely ti fek it has to stop, some one needs to stand up and say, hawwww, hold that ferkin result who the fleck you trying ti kid here, it has to this can’t keep going on.
Utd offered the maximum fee for a Development Player,based on the ‘selling’ club being 2 years old.
Sevco’s disastrous situation leaves Scottish football facing tough choices, and we better be ready for what the governing bodies might do.
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/the-coming-decision/
The zombies wanted £200K, so the tribunal split the difference.
Maybe this mens they’re only half dead.
https://twitter.com/TyroneSTV/status/542343295318626305
Thompson might have his say…hope he disnae miss them
The decision being final and binding is in the overall SPFL Rulebook. It wasn’t an ad hoc decision made for this panel.
Dundee Utd should give two thirds of the fee to the liquidators and the other third to Sevco. That would cover the 4 years Rangers developed Telfer and the two years Sevco did.
In other news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30396610
LB
boscobhoy02
15:50 on 9 December, 2014Dundee Utd should give two thirds of the fee to the liquidators and the other third to Sevco. That would cover the 4 years Rangers developed Telfer and the two years Sevco did.
VG
So sometimes old co exists, and sometimes it doesn’t.
BoscoBhoy02
Thompson should just write the cheque out to the old company name.
LB
Suggestion to the pilot
Want to aim for a mountain further away
The Secret Five Way Agreement is a conspiracy to defraud the creditors and taxpayer surely ?
If a new club agrees to take on any debt in return for being recognised as a liquidated club with the potential lucrative income, then all creditors are due. This is an issue, the SFA are openly defying company law by recognising this as the same club who stiffed all the creditors, the same club that’s agreed to pay only a few of its creditors, that’s the SFA’s and everyone who signed the 5 way agreement, which is why I don’t believe any such document was signed by anyone, read and agreed with a handshake maybe.
Monaghan1900
Thanks for todays nuggets from the bloo doos.
The Battered Bunnet
Stokes appeared to have been coasting for a few seasons and he didn’t seem to adapt that well to the Deila way.
Now, he seems to have renewed energy and a better work rate. Many ronseal players change clubs to realize their full potential and previously unsuspected potential, some just need a new manager with a sigificanty different philosophy. Bobby Murdoch springs to mind – but that is not to compare both players. Ray Kennedy was a combination of both – moving from Arsenal to Liverpool and being played in midfield by Bob Paisley rather than as a forward which he’d been at Arsenal. BTW ref the slower developers – according to wiki Stanley Matthews rejected him at Port Vale when he was 16, telling him he was too slow to be a footballer.
Stokes seems fitter and leaner too or maybe that’s just my non widescreen tv. :o)
Sevco pay the debts, so, Dundee Utd, will have their debt with rangers cleared, they will pay the SFA the rest and the SFA will use it to pay other football related debt, no ? :)
The SFA will ensure any such disputes are geared to raising funds to cover costs.
A ‘tribunal’ decision without the right of appeal, is surely against the rules and regulations of the Employment Tribunals. Dundee United should never have agreed to this and even now should refer it to the Employment Tribunal.
Shieldmuir Celtic
16:08 on
9 December, 2014
Every team in Scotland has agreed to it. It’s in the SPFL rule book.
Dundee United ordered pay £204,000 in total compensation for a youth who never signed a contract with a club formed in 2012, and for whom he played one game.
Stand by for Dundee Utd reaction, and let the creditors form an orderly queue.