Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade. He said:
“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”
There has been no European ban. Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs. They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.
The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment. It changed nothing. Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so. They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.
As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition. Pointless.
Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”. Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.
Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats. How do you measure that? Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.
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“John MacMillan, general secretary of the Rangers Supporters’ Association, said: “There is a feeling among a few of the clubs they should let Rangers sink. But if they don’t let us into the SPL it is a disaster for Scottish football.”
And he really believes this. They all do.
MacMillan and quite a few others are guilty of failing to recognise a sea change in attitudes – that rarest of political beasts – a bottom up, people led revolution against the reigning orthodoxy.
When they wake up, it will be too late.
Cloudy morning in Manchester.
The Dallai lama is playing the MEN Arena.
Certainly a different crowd. No pink cowboy hats on sale today.
Morning all & happy father’s day.
Air still fresher than pre-liquidation day, life is sweet hun free!!!!!
Hail Hail to all.
Morning, folks.
Just read The Rangers opening gambit: You cant erase our past but we can erase your future’. (You always know it’s authentic when they can’t spell/apostrophise). They really are begging for John Williams’ Imperial March as their theme tune, except that they cant afford the full orchestral version and will settle for that fan and his teddy-bear synth.
Delighted for Sammi and his Hellenic heroes, and couldn’t resist laughing at Dick just one more time. All that talent at his disposal and he still cocks it up – good to know he hasn’t lost the Sidam touch.
Slightly concerned on the home front. In our European games, 4 players stood out – Forster, Samaras, Wanyama and Ki, and recent headlines haven’t been doing much for my confidence regarding our ability to make inroads into the Champions League. Ki may have had a disappointing season by his standards, but we need players like him when we come up against continental sides – players who have a calmness on the ball and an intelligence in the decision-making.
Listened to the Sportsound broadcast last night. In bending over backward to help the Ibrox team, the authorities are turning this into a fiasco. Celtic have sold their season tickets for the next season. With the SFA looking to rush in League reform, I don’t know if I will get all the games I paid for or will have to pay more for extra games. The rest of the clubs can hardly sell any of their tickets as their supporters are more adamant than us that the Newhuns don’t start in the SPL. Dundee and Dunfermline are selling what tickets they can and budgeting for being in the First Division. The laws of the game aren’t specific enough to say for certain which one should return if Newco aren’t allowed straight in the SPL. Rangers(in all its forms) have missed the latest deadline for submitting their accounts (15th June, extended from 15th March) The deadline isn’t there to inconvenience Clubs. We are in a position where we don’t know if we need a team that only has to beat M’well to win the League. Even with our high season ticket sales, we would lose income without a Rangers in our fixture list. How can we make player transfer decisions with that uncertainty? We are in a much better situation than the other clubs. Having read Paul McConville’s less than entirely good news blog about the likelyhood of club being sperate from owner, I can see Monday turning into a vote on The Rangers coming into the SPL and the punishment from Rangers IA’s outstanding discaplinaries following the decision hopefully very quickly.
Off to mass.
Elbows McCulloch former player of a former club once known as Rangers FC is qoted as having said
“I am going nowhere, I am staying with Rangers,” he confirmed. “Whether we’re in the SPL, the Third Division or anywhere in between I will be with Rangers.
I’d make it a personal mission to win back the title from Celtic if we’re still in the SPL.”
Hasn’t anyone the former players yet that Rangers will not be playing anywhere next season – They are dead as Ut a mortuis Norwegian Lorem (A dead Norwegian Blue). It’s gone dead – deceased / gone and it will not be winning anything fairly or otherwise ever ever ever again.
Stupid stupid hun. And WFT is the media doing printing such dross – perhaps they just do not get it either .
“McCullochy” = The THE Oliver North of the The Huns.
Broken Rocket.
Any player who does not want to join Sevco can leave for nothing.
It is not clear (a) if Rangers will play football this coming season and (b) if so which division it will be in. In those circumstances, as Sevco is unlikely to be able to pay a full squad of players if not playing at all, or in the third division, the prospect of a new deal elsewhere becomes the “bird in the hand option”.
Sevco faces losing a number of its top players for nothing in the next very short while. I am not saying that that will happen, but any agent will be making sure his client understands the possible financial implications of deciding to stay on at Ibrox, should there be any credible interest at all elsewhere. If players do elect to stay, this will be trumpeted as a vote of confidence in Mr Green, and as exhibiting loyalty to Rangers, even if the reason is that no one else was interested. That however probably counts as “legitimate” PR!
The next few days will be very interesting. Who will sign on for the Sevco experience, and who will leave for their own financial well being and security?
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/what-is-the-status-of-the-rangers-players-today/
Now that DBBIA has called a Fatwa on Beechgrove Garden my CQN Gardening tip is that the rain won’t hurt the rhubarb if it’s in tins.
Monty Don CSC
morning all
to repeat from yesterday
oldco is not yet formally liquidated
as unliquidated oldco still has the spl share
oldco can vote tomorrow via duff and duffer but not green
duff and duffer have enough cash in oldco to reach end of july
green has three plans all of which make him big bucks
plan one cva is dead. this would have given him the assets and the spl share
he is on plan two now. the ole share switcheroony which would give him the spl share by vote
plan three involves not getting the spl share and selling to waltco
all plans net him good money.
no one likes him
he does not care
ok. comprendez.
hh
Question for our experts out there.
Much talk about season ticket sales at Ibrokes. Cannot get my head around what they are selling.
This company called TRFC is not a registered football club with any Football body in Scotland SFA/SPL so what are they offerring in return for the season book? Friendlies the ‘chance’ of being able to watch competative football in some league.
Is the latter not gambling and do they have a license?
St john Doyle. Nice way to spend fathers days
But Oldco aren’t deid yet, in the last weeks of life , but they have not been officially liquidated yet
Never less should be a great fathers day
Maybe I could ask my wife to do the same on 1st sat in setember and get her to take me to Celtic park for lunch , tad expensive tho including flights
Good mornings friends from a grey and damp looking east Kilbride.
And to those who are both blessed with children and of the qualifying gender a Big Happy Fathers Day!
I was speaking to Ramie a couple of hours ago and he was telling me about his golf club. Apparently every year, in memory of Derek ‘cup-tie’ McKay (RIP) who scored two goals for Aberdeen against Celtic in the Scottish Cup Final of 1970, they have a wee perennial fund raiser for Martin, in memory of Derek; one of Derek’s greatest claims was he was a great mate of Kano… and he was.
This year was no different and again all the golf playing Scottish community of Perth, W.A. held their usual vigil, game, bevie and fund raiser. Their efforts and generosity are going to enable Kano to go on his first overseas holiday since he was taken ill.
Kano does not need a passport for his travels; he is going to Rottnest, an island off the coast of Western Australia. As far as Kano is concerned… it is a trip to the moon.
I’m chuffed for Kano.
I’m chuffed Kano has a mate like Ramie and had mates like Derek.
Good question deekbhoy
Surely duffer and duffer would not be allowed to transfer that money to newco
SYDNEY TIM 0958
If she doesn’t agree to that simple request,I think she might be seeing somebody else!
Paul67
Any view on the part which Campbell ogilve would have played in the machevellian developments at the SFA (noted below from article in SoS)…..
The real danger of keeping a “heavily conflicted” senior manager in place is the man in the street CANNOT TRUST A SINGLE DECISION THE ORGANISATION MAKES.
“The crisis at Rangers is set to bring about a radical change in the structure of Scottish football, which could pave the way for the Ibrox club to be demoted just one division.
The Scottish Football Association is ready to merge the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League into a single league body in time for the start of the new season. Under the new league set-up, the top and second tiers of that league would stay the same size as the current SPL and First Division – 12 and ten respectively – and be rebranded “premier”, effectively meaning that the present First Division would become an SPL 2.
A whole raft of changes as recommended in the 2010 report by former First Minister Henry McLeish will also be introduced………
“The time for action is now,” said an SFA source, who did not deny that the association was taking advantage of the Rangers debacle to promote its longed-for reforms. The source said: “When one of the biggest clubs in the country is liquidated, something has to change.”
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This makes me feel slightly sick.
A question for our resident financial and insolvency gurus. Can a company that has yet to be ‘officially’ placed into liquidation somehow avoid this by someone with very deep pockets buying the shares of the company £20 mil, and then offering a new and improved CVA to creditors say 25p in the £?
From the Express. Haven’t seen it anywhere else. Two months to get round to it. SFA’s finger right on the pulse:
“McCoist broke off his holiday, not for the first time, to reassure fans that he will be at Ibrox for the foreseeable future and to deal with business for the stricken club.
Ironically, that came as it was disclosed that the SFA are going to charge him over his outburst in April when he demanded to know the names of the members of the SFA’s Independent Judicial Panel.”
Shame that Celtic feel the need to criticise Burley, given our proud history, one illiterate neds opinion is not worth Celtic to become anal-retentive. Celtic’s comments betray a lot of insecurity about its standing and worth. The BBC are #1 for being up themselves, Celtic dont want the #2 slot.
Oglach. Yes admin can last for years, until rubber stamped and company officially removed from company register anything can happen, nice to know its 6 0 with 5 mins to go, but still possible
That’s why my whiskey remains in bottle till official day
Nazza -tinned rhubarb?
I should cocoa!
deekbhoy @ 09:57,
That was my thoughts.
Mr Murray who is the Sevco Chiarmen said he had the season ticket in his pocket and urged fellow Gers to support Sevco Ltd.
Would like to see the T&Cs on that one.
How to make friends and influence peepil
Re Russian hordes and their ‘this(Poland) is
Russia’ ,is on a par with the hun hordes last
visit to Barcelona,their banner ‘Catalonia is Spain’
To be honest slightly impressed an orc could spell
Catalonia.
Hail hail and happy Fathers day.
deekbhoy
it is the same as Amazon. You look at a picture and send your money in the expectation of getting same in the post. if it does not arrive you ask for your money back.
Not sure sevco is as reliable as Amazon though.
hh
optimistic little soldier on 17 June, 2012 at 08:56 said:
‘The’, or team XYZ, don’t have a vote in any SPL meeting…… They’re not in the SPL, or am I missing something …..?
Have been reading papers this morning and, you know what, this is the most incredible farce ever…….. Why don’t they just put them out of their misery…..they cannot play in any league, since they do not exist (no accounts etc for The etc)
Let me tell you, the SFA / SPL NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL HERE ….. IF THEY ALIENATE THE CELTIC SUPPORT, THEY WILL INCUR OUR WRATH, LIKE NEVER BEFORE ……..FINANCIAL LOSS, WE’ LL SHOW YOU FINANCIAL LOSS…….SFA / SPL >>>>>>>TICK FEKIN’ TOCK…..
Bankiebhoy
I’ve always fancied that Geoff Hamilton was a tim. He had no pretensions and was a man of the people. As for Alan Tichmarch and Monty Don, I’ve got them down as currant buns.
Like many others I’ve enjoyed listening to discussions on Saturday sportsound recently. Jim Spence has really come to the fore recently with his honest opinions. I think we should at least expect honesty from our pundits. Hopefully fan power will see Newco consigned to the third division.
All the best. Only 1.75hrs to the Beechgrove Potting Shed.
Point of information.
Past ” victories” trophies and titles can be erased, just ask Ben Johnson, the disgraced Olympic sprinter.
What can’t be erased is the stigma and taint of his cheating, same as the now defunct rankers.
pggtips2 on 17 June, 2012 at 10:08 said:
Understand where your coming from,but we shouldn’t let a lie become the truth,huns have been
at this for years.
pggtips2 on 17 June, 2012 at 10:08 said:
Shame that Celtic feel the need to criticise Burley…..
Celtic have not made any statement regarding Burley, the comments came from Neil Lennons agent.
SydneyTim on 17 June, 2012 at 10:08 said:
Oglach. Yes admin can last for years, until rubber stamped and company officially removed from company register anything can happen, nice to know its 6 0 with 5 mins to go, but still possible
That’s why my whiskey remains in bottle till official day
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Emm, so a glimmer of life / hope remains then albeit about as likely as my winning the Euro lottery triple rollover but still a miniscule chance. I did mention that we should all be jumping on the wooden stake just to ensure that it has fully penetrated the rotten heart of RFC.
pggtips2 on 17 June, 2012 at 10:08 said:
You are a total erse….
Euro 2012 —-
16 /6 /12
Free money from —-
Czech Republic 1 —– Poland 0
Greece 1 ——- Russia 0.
Why free money ?
Poland are a poor team . Big , musclebound , slow , not very good at football. All that tension ,stress and the weight of expectation . Difficult to carry the burden of all that patriotic fervour . Result was a stitch on.
Russia looked great when they humped a dreadful Italy 3-0 in a pre tourney friendly .. They were less impressive against the Czechs and positively wilted against a poor [ but up for it ] Poland . On a downward trajectory. Result was a stitch on .
Great shifts from Jiracek [ what an engine ] and Pilar [ he looks a player ! ]
Samaras was excellent . Italian commentator raved about him..
Still have a feeling that neither of the 2 red hot faves will win it . Can’t decide who —-
Very hot -too hot to work —— day on the beach -way down south.
Just watched hilights of Greece v Russia. Karagounis get wrongly booked for diving and in his frustration blesses himself three times. Would this demonstration have got him sent off or booked in this sectarian backwater?
Good morning Hoops,
im hearing from very good source that the players at Newco fc have had no communication at all in the last three weeks from anyone connected with the club.
Do they know they wont be playing at all?
hail hail
Oglach
Difference today is that the assets have gone [allegedly] from old co
hh
Marrakesh Express on 17 June, 2012 at 10:19 said:
Just watched hilights of Greece v Russia. Karagounis get wrongly booked for diving and in his frustration blesses himself three times. Would this demonstration have got him sent off or booked in this sectarian backwater?
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A big no to that because he is not a Catholic. Greek Orthodox one would assume.
Only troublesome Tims get huckled for blessing themselves in an aggressive manner in the cultural melting pot that is Scotland ( tounge in cheek)
Stringer Bell on 17 June, 2012 at 10:01 said:
Don’t worry about it….they’ll mess this up too ……. They will regret all this financial prioritisation (or is it bigoted bias)…….. The fans of all clubs will lose heart in respect of the integrity of Scottish Football…….I already have…