Make what you wish of Strathclyde Police reporting Celtic fans for “illicit chanting” to a Uefa match observer in October, the bottom line is that Uefa have fined Celtic €15,000 (around £12,700), established a benchmark for future action and more importantly sullied the club’s reputation.
Job done by those who wanted this confrontation to happen.
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mic1888 @ 19:28
Interesting point.
Maybe it shouldn’t be described as political, but rather culturally observant (as in, taking note of some feelings in a particular community by observation of the graffitti on particular walls, in the locale of said community).
derbyshirebhoy
Nobody persisted, from the moment the charge was made.
Not one single fan, inside Celtic Park.
Lurgan 53 @19.05,
You are, of course, absolutely right. Sadly, those you are trying to reach have no interest in what you’re saying.
Someone on KDS said SFA should get fined for Tartan army singing that sound of music nonsense.Now that is offensive!!
Big Nan,
I was wondering just that myself this morning. Could he have been ably abetted by yon Taylor character or does he work for FIFA?
mic1888
Ooh aah up the Ra – is just about as political as it gets, in the eyes of many.
There’s also, the not so small matter that there is cast iron doubt whether it was even sung at the game, reported.
NegAnon2 says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:21
I contacted someone in the know in the Church . They’re not happy about:
this criminalisation of Celtic fans after years of acquiescence to religious hate chants;
the destruction of official records containing sectarian crime data;
and they’re unhappy about gay marriage.
I don’t know where they’re going to take this but I doubt that the SNP are going to get their endorsement next time round.
Another question: who was the UEFA match representative to whom Smith made his allegations?
Parkhead, i am sure i read somewhere that he is ex Strathclyde police who then went on to be security cheif at ipox. cannot remember his name.
All, i think that we need to remind ourselves that we have, allegedly been found guilty of breaching UEFA regulations that cover the singing of political / illicit songs inside a football stadia. Not guilty of a hate related offense such as racism of sectarianism. Those that are wailing, gnashing their teeth and rending clothing should remember this – POLITICAL – not hatred
Lurgan 53 says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:05
‘The Celtic board cannot – repeat CANNOT – give ANY clarification on the illicit chants until they receive such clarification from UEFA.
Surely that CANNOT be that hard to understand??
Those posters using this issue to have a go – AGAIN – at the board – simply bore me rigid.’
The Celtic board should have details of the charge(s) we faced. These should specify which songs/chants were involved. Celtic could and should release this information. Why don’t they?
Fortunes Favour Mibbes says:
Not sure if your being sarky mate but your totally right.
For the record although the line is in the original song I like the up the Celts version better.
If that’s what we’ve been done with I wouldn’t feel my politics had been compromised if I were to stop singing it at the footy (which I don’t do anyway)
I also think we’re the victims of a major fit-up here!
Carrigan,
If so, he wouldn’t have needed prompting from Smith, although they might have worked out some sort collusion to take away any charge of bias coming from him. Sounds very very fishy, as if it was all prearranged.
Can not really understand what all the fuss is about.
Its been comming for a while. We have been asked to stop the childishness by our own club.
No no, we have big brave warriors singing crap celebrating eh our history? No matter how the sane pleaded for you to stop you didn’t why because …eh …well were no huns and well they sing bad songs.
Well done all you rebels. You have done a grand job. Home you are all proud of yourself?
Me l am sick of the lot of you, if you can not or will not stop singing this rubbish do not follow my club, be gone and go now.
Ktf
34 quid a ticket for a spl game, illicit chanting persecuted…
by bye PLC
Parkhead, it is a stitch up, Smith would never have done that without the ok, everything was in place that night.
bournesouprecipe says:
I agree ‘Up the Ra’ is a political statement.
What I mean is if you listen to the rest of the song it has absolutely nothing to do with Irish politics.
Folks,
Looking a wee bit of advice.
One of the drivers in my work has just found out his 15 year old son has leukemia. Within 3 days of finding out, he was sent to hospital where he is to be confined to for the next 7 months.
It means spending Xmas day in hospital too.
Its also looking like the whole family are going to have to move back to Belfast after having moved out to Newcastle some years ago because thats where the hospital is and where he will have to go for regular check ups if all being well, he gets out after the 7 months.
The young lad supports Man Utd and Id love to get him a signed Man Utd jersey that he can hang above his hospital bed.
I dont know where to go – Im more than happy to do a whip around in work and pay for one from ebay, but again I havent a clue what to look for to get a genuine one. Prices on there seem to vary quite substantially.
Does anyone have any experience of looking for signed jerseys?
A Rooney jersey on the Man Utd website is £425 – way too much for a whip around among 10 odd members of staff.
Any help appreciated.
Eyes Wide Open says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:49
Have you tried Man U directly? A letter from the hospital may help also.
ernie lynch says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:44
yep -they knew the charge and now they know found guilty
seems they are taking time to reflect before they decide next step:-appeal or accept etyc.,
meanwhile, back at the ranch..the fans left in the dark
Lurgan doesn’t like it -but there is a justifiable reason for some of the digs at the board right now.
they are simply not communicating enough to Celtic fans
HH
M
It sounds like there was a plethora of cases for UEFA to work through. The delay in announcing the ruling was put down to this. Do the defendants have any input at this stage or is it more expedient for the judging panel to just go “Match Commander says there was misbehaviour. Fine fifty quid licence endorsed.” A significant majority, being in the wrong, take their licks and carry on. Might we only get to defend ourselves if we appeal? WishfulthinkingCFC
Eyes Wide Open says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:49
Sorry meant to add Man utd general enquiry phone number – they should be able to point you in the right direction.
0161 868 8000
courtesy Josh Gaffney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=2mcEaMvBAg0
mic1888
And arguably the most bizarre lyric, ever written for a Celtic song.
I was at the Rennes match and I remember that the GB were on great form. I don`t recall anything illicit.
Carrigan says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:42
Parkhead, i am sure i read somewhere that he is ex Strathclyde police who then went on to be security cheif at ipox. cannot remember his name.
Kenny Scott?
saltires en sevilla says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:51
ernie lynch says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:44
yep -they knew the charge and now they know found guilty
seems they are taking time to reflect before they decide next step:-appeal or accept etyc.,
meanwhile, back at the ranch..the fans left in the dark
Lurgan doesn’t like it -but there is a justifiable reason for some of the digs at the board right now.
they are simply not communicating enough to Celtic fans
HH
M
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yep,
Agree. Communications is the glue.
Kojo…whit’s yer view, pal?
Eyes Wide Open says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:49
Contact Man U.
Most clubs will provide stuff if it’s for charitable fund raising, so I would imagine they would do so for something like this.
bournesouprecipe says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:53
‘mic1888
And arguably the most bizarre lyric, ever written for a Celtic song.’
It’s Picaresque Magic Realism.
Stand up for the Fans
oglach UFB says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:50
Thanks for getting back to me.
I havent to be honest – I had it in my head for him to have it hanging above his hospital bed for Xmas day and time wise its cutting it fine, which is why I had been looking to buy one from somewhere, or tap into a network of some kind.
Il try the Man Utd number you have kindly given.
Thanks again
Carrigan at 19:42
Can’t remember the name either, but think the person you are talking about was the UEFA security advisor, not the Uefa match observer.
ernie lynch says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:44
We are led to believe that after a charge of illicit singing was made Celtic;
A) Didn’t ask what ‘illicit’ singing specifically?
B) Asked, and weren’t told?
C) Were told, but didn’t tell the support?
I’m in the option B) camp at the moment, because it seems, Celtic still don’t know either.
Dushanbe
ya dancer
it must be 1 in the morning in outer mongolia..??
talking to marcus o’g this afternoon he’s off to Cork tonight and back in Glasgow for currants game..we are meeting up
he’s back in dublin 29th so you should catch him when you are there
HH
M
iki
Correct
Eyes Wide Open says:
12 December, 2011 at 19:58
Not a problem as Ernie has said most clubs will have a facility for dealing with such requests. As mentioned I think a letter from the hospital will add a lot of weight to your request.
saltires en sevilla
I wouldntt be too surprised if the board are quite happy with today’s outcome.
The fact is “illicit” singing doesn’t suit the brand and is bad for business.
The players, officials and supporters of Rennes must be scratching their heads today.
Árd Macha