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There was a fascinating and completely unfounded angle to the Daily Record’s story today about Celtic’s forthcoming AGM, “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly”.

Oh no they don’t.  This is an incredible dose of poison to inject into the Celtic family.

The matter in question is a resolution before the AGM urging Celtic to write to the SFA and Uefa regarding club licencing for season 2011/12.  As a result of this resolution Celtic’s written response to the AGM confirms that they questioned the SFA’s licensing at the time directly with the Association, a fact which had not previously been revealed.  The matter was also raised with Uefa.  Both bodies backed the SFA actions.

I knew how this played out at the time and I was keen for the matter to reach the AGM, where questions could be asked and responses given, but lines like “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers were dealt with fairly” are put out just to mess with you.

The Record addresses another point in the same article, “the Scottish champions are also acutely aware of how official action would heighten tensions between fans of the two clubs”.  If you think Charles Green was the only one on the receiving end of threats and intimidation last year, when these matters came to light, you’re wrong.

Celtic pursued the licencing question as far as they were permitted to do, this is quite different than insisting Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly.  The SFA are not interested and Uefa are not interested.  As a result of this resolution, this issue can be properly examined in front of the supporters.

The club’s public comments, or often, the lack of public comments, put the safety of their employees and supporters, which was already acutely in focus, first.  Not so long ago office staff at Celtic had to go through training on how to open the mail following specific attacks.

Despite popular mythology, Celtic don’t control the SFA, re-orientating that organisation will take a while.  The issue of licensing in 2011 was pursued as far as the club were allowed to do so.  Get along to the AGM, look the board in the eye and ask your questions on this.  Celtic also have a responsibility – and a lot of formal security advice – to staff, each other and all of us when it comes to public comment.  This is the world Celtic has to operate in.  The sooner we are out of here the better.

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  1. canamalar prays Oscar can do it again on

    BMCUWP,

     

    Thats what I’ve been told and why I am taking legal advice, I’m told changing the wording without agreement could actually be illegal under corporate law, so I need to find out more before the AGM

  2. Imagine if a serious murder investigation was based on the premise”Well we asked the accomplice if he would give us any information,and he refused.What else can we do”We wont bother proceeding with this,even though we know who the murderer is”We tried.Yet some on here willing to accept that excuse.

     

    Not a happy clapper or a mine shafter.Also not stupid or gullible.All the things we accuse the hun hordes off.

  3. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    The use of the word “unnecessary” is to curry favour with UEFA only. Forelock tugging, cap n handing, genuflecting etc.

     

     

    HH

  4. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    canamalar prays Oscar can do it again

     

     

    17:34 on 14 October, 2013

     

     

    your playing a stormer

  5. canamalar prays Oscar can do it again on

    iki/che,

     

    I’m reading they must give 21 days notice of an AGM so I expect the proxy should be in line with this to give shareholders the opportunity make arrangements for voting.

     

    I will let you know more as I find out.

     

    The next stop is a corporate lawyer

  6. Awe naw et Bankiebhoy :0)

     

     

    I think Canamalar is gonna make someone spend a night in the box….

     

     

    Joking aside… It feels like a great unravelling is beginning.

  7. We constantly hear about how the old board and boards of the past were complacent etc. But as far back as 1930 Celtic FC had taken as much as they could take and after the 1930 Glasgow Cup final, which they won, they sent this letter headed “A Travesty of Justice” to the SFA and gave it to the press.

     

     

    After making a specific charge against a Rangers’ player the letter continues :–

     

    “This offence of itself called for the extreme penalty against the offender. Taken in conjunction with several subsequent tackles by this same offender, it can only be described as a travesty of justice that the player should have been allowed to remain on the field and R. Thomson be ordered off.”

     

     

    After making reference to the goal that was disallowed the letter goes on :–

     

    “The whole game from the first incident was marred by frequent fouls, from which undoubtedly our players were the chief sufferers. The repeated injuries to our outside-left, the repeated fouls against our outside-right, the methods adopted towards our goalkeeper, most of which were penalised by free kicks without proper action being taken against the offenders, resulted in the match being a most unsatisfactory one from every point of view.”

     

     

    “It is our considered opinion that if incidents such as these are to occur with increasing regularity, as seems to be the case in matches where certain teams are involved, the game in this country will be seriously harmed and made almost impossible for our club.

     

     

    We think it must be placed on record that our complaint is only one of several made in somewhat similar circumstances within a recent date comparatively. ” [ENDS]

     

     

    Has anything change with the SFA cheating to accomodate the Hun?

  8. The No.13 Shorts on

    If Celtic are ‘scared’ to act for fear of reprisal, let them come out and say it, rather than through a proxy. At least that way we could all decide whether we will buy the new home gimp strip next season with handy padlocked zip closure at mouth and open zip at rear.

  9. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Big Nan

     

     

    Do you think that in those days there was more of a class divide which would arouse more feelings of inadequacy amongst our own and therefore more likely to pipe down. Be thankful for small mercies etc.

     

     

    Now we have the rioting Manchester hoardes telling us our place and our plc meekly accepting it. Its beyond belief and that makes it difficult to accept.

     

     

    I think if they came out clean I would be more willing to accept it. It cant be any more horrific than it is now.

     

     

    HH

  10. Can anyone conform the date of the AGM, i haven’t received my invite documents yet.

     

     

    gebhoy

  11. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    The No.13 Shorts

     

     

    17:56 on 14 October, 2013

     

     

    We have enough money in the bank to hire the Peoples Republic of China army to protect us for a couple of years.

     

     

    Our very own spivs are coming to the fore they worry me far more than any

     

     

    HH

  12. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo

     

     

    17:57 on 14 October, 2013

     

     

    Big Nan

     

     

    Do you think that in those days there was more of a class divide which would arouse more feelings of inadequacy amongst our own and therefore more likely to pipe down. Be thankful for small mercies etc.

     

     

    Now we have the rioting Manchester hoardes telling us our place and our plc meekly accepting it. Its beyond belief and that makes it difficult to accept.

     

     

    I think if they came out clean I would be more willing to accept it. It cant be any more horrific than it is now.

     

     

    HH

     

    …………………………..

     

    Awe Naw. This was at a time when anti-RC, anti-Irish feeling was at a high.

     

     

    Billy Boys’ gang attacking our supporters train, C o S calling for the government to send us back to Ireland, riotous mobs attacking religious procession at Carfin/semenarians in Edinburgh, yet for all that in the early 30s we have Celtic Board having the balls to say enough is enough.

     

     

    The Celtic support and the RC/Irish descended in Scotland were far more vulnerable and faced far more hostility then than now. That is the point I am making back in those dark days our club custodians were not afraid to stand up for us.

     

     

    John Thomson is the goalkeeper who played in this match and wee Bertie the left winger. Given no protection by a referee who was a frequent official at our games before the protest but after the protest didn’t referee us for 36 games.

     

     

    This Board could take a leaf out of that ones book.

  13. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    If people employed at Celtic are subject to threats why not go public.

     

    This saying nothing does my head in..

     

    Plc at its weakest again..

  14. The Huns are losing the plot over on RM and FF, Glasgow City Council is all Tim’s who give money to Celtic and help us all the time and the workers wear green so that just proves it haha

     

    And they call us paranoid HH

  15. CultsBhoy loves being 1st forever & ever on

    BT

     

     

    I’m with you on that.. Why be quiet when subject to threats?

  16. Paul67

     

     

    Take your point on board regards safety of Celtic staff if we are seen to rock the boat regards the licensing of Sevco.

     

     

    However , unless the board have secured us a way out of this hell hole ( perhaps behind the scenes with like minded clubs like Galatassaray)we might as well Chuck it if we are not allowed to even question thems without the threat of violence.

     

     

    If the board have not secured a way out , we need to scream this injustice from the rooftops .

     

     

     

     

    If not we are betraying Sir Robert Kelly , Fergus McCann and Jock Stein .

  17. medtim

     

     

     

    17:27 on 14 October, 2013

     

     

     

    I started to answer you but must have got diverted.

     

     

    Celtic’s stance is complicated by being unable to officially recognise or use that material, so that even if they had it, they would have had to respond as they did.

     

     

    Drop me an e mail.

  18. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    poster-boy Murray talking about “sustainable”. Ha ha ha haaaaaaa.

     

     

    Wonder if McIntyre will ask him how he would have sustained the old club without CL money. Won’t hold my breath!

     

     

    Spiers asks Murray about tax-dodger King and Murray totally dodges the issue!

  19. Just heard WGS say on television that the Gentile days are over, when you got the chance to kick someone six times and then get a yellow card. Maybe elsewhere but definitely not in Scotland, no wonder the international team get nowhere, they can’t adjust from the Saturday kick about to playing real football.

  20. Paul

     

    If you knew how it all played out at the time was there any particular reason why that was not shared on yuor own blog.

     

    I dont really want to criticize given the virtues of this site but I think people are understandably puzzled and/or disappointed.

     

    HH

  21. We all know we live in a grubby little sectarian and bigoted backwater of a country and make up between 16-18% of the population therefore we cannot effect any meaningful democratic change to our liking.

     

    Bearing this in mind we then have to accept that we must work within the construct that we are set which begs the question……

     

     

    Why bust the boards nuts over something they have no legal or democratic control over?

     

     

    Until we have 51% of the population and are in a position to effect real change we need to get on with it. This means strategic investment in the clubs freehold property, stadium improvements, squad enhancement together with group and last 16 placings at every opportunity.

     

     

    We need to drive home our competitive advantage at every opportunity and build such a huge mountain of finance and quality infrastructure that the orcs never see over the top of it…….its all we can do.

     

     

    We are now occupying a consistent placing in CL competition not seen since the mid 1970’s, the stadium is world class and being improved upon all the time, the squad is getting stronger all the time, we are debt free, generating positive revenue streams.

     

     

    We are hosting the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games next year, our name will be seen by billions of people around the globe. I work internationally and all the talk is of Celtic. We are the only team out there.

     

     

    As an aside I got to thinking that if there is a World Cup for the homeless…….could we have a CL for the debtless?

     

    Is there enough debt free clubs to make a decent fist of a competition? We would have a reasonable shout of winning it I’m sure :)

     

    Does anyone have a current list of clubs that are actually debt free?

  22. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    awe_naw_no_annoni_oan_anaw_noo

     

     

    17:36 on 14 October, 2013

     

    The use of the word “unnecessary” is to curry favour with UEFA only. Forelock tugging, cap n handing, genuflecting etc.

     

     

    HH

     

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    Thanks,

     

     

    At least your comment suggests that someone read my post.

  23. Some of the stuff on here about standing up to be counted is, at best, naive and, at worst, plain disingenuous. The death threat mob doesn’t care who gets the message – your wife, your child, your parents – as long as the message gets delivered.

     

    A press person told me that there are good reasons not to tell the truth about servo. One – it’s commercial suicide. Two – they have a bad habit of shooting the messenger.

  24. skyisalandfill c'mon wee Oscar on

    Shortbread. Jackshun says that “Sandy Easdale spent about a year at Her Majesties leisure”

     

     

    ha ha ha .

     

     

    Thick or what?

  25. All this talk of “Not wanting to say anything for fear of reprisals”staff under threat,blah blah.Our board seem to have selective memory.Every time the horde visit Celtic Park,the staff ,kiosks even,are abused,spat on,called every obcenity.The toilet blocks are wrecked.This inside the stadium.Anyone heard anything from our board on this?.No.Now we are being informed the office staff are under threat.Anyone heard of this?.No.

     

    We have had people murdered in the street for coming away from supporting Celtic.We have had numerous fans assaulted for supporting Celtic,by the same fans that DD says would be welcomed back with open arms.

     

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.I am thoroughly p!ssed off with the biggest love of my life,and now I just dont believe a word they say.How did it ever get to this?.

     

    I will tell you why.

     

    Our board and biggest shareholder want them back.No other answer.

  26. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    Murray says King put £20million into the club and lost his investment. No no no – it was a holding company he invested in!