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Internationals, Scott, King Kenny, Willie Ormand

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We have one league game, home to Motherwell, before facing Borussia Monchengladbach two weeks tonight, but there is a lot of football to be played before then for many in the squad.

Kolo Toure, Scott Brown and Scott Sinclair will be able to invest some time in building a training base, but the rest of the likely starters will face World Cup qualifiers with their various national teams. We have 18 players away in total and can only hope they return fit and ready.

Motherwell have experienced how difficult Celtic Park can be already this season, so on paper the forthcoming game doesn’t look too pressing, however, things ramp up for Celtic thereafter. The next five games have us home and away to Gladbach, at Hampden for the League Cup semi, and away to Ross County and Aberdeen.

A schedule like this illuminates the wisdom in Scott Brown retiring from international football. Kenny Dalglish, a player who always played for Scotland – apart from when national team manager Willie Ormand dropped him when he was about to eclipse a Rangers player’s run of 44 consecutive caps – believes Scott will regret retiring from international football.

Kenny did it all on the park, and harboured no bitterness at his SFA snub, so it’s harsh to dismiss his view out of hand. But he’s wrong on this one. Mikael Lustig should take note.

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  1. BSR –

     

     

    If you are lurking, Marie appearing with Scottish Opera in Mozart’s “The Marriage of Figaro” at Edinburgh Festival Theatre next month.

  2. channelislandcelt on

    ITSCALLEDTHEMALVINAS

     

    Re West Calder .

     

    Just been asked by a lurking mate that you will be anything but the only Tim in the village .

     

    WC boasts a strong Celtic contingent together with a couple of Tim friendly boozers .

     

    HH

  3. TET….

     

     

    How much manipulation can they get away with?

     

     

    I’m no fan of Barton but he has the English msm on his side…. Do you think we planted him like CW :)))

  4. I think Craig White, Charley Chuckles, Mike Ashley, etc should receive knighthoods ?

     

    Murray should be stripped of his and given a 10 year season book for to watch Sevco !

     

    I have suspicions as to how Murrayhas walked away scot free from the carnage at ipox as it’s well documented that he has a had an easy ride .

     

    For years we had rankers fans and players and the MSM telling us how brilliant and agreed Murray was as a businessman ?

     

    All of a sudden along comes Walter Mitty White, who manages to somehow ” Dupe” this brilliant businessman Murray?

     

    Who in their right mind would ever believe Murrays claim that he was” duped” ? Your having a laugh !

  5. Sips

     

    They will get away with anything as long as nobody challenges them, there are 41 other professional clubs in scotland and not a single one are willing to say a word, till someone has the balls to stand up to the cheating and the corruption, it’s same old, same old.

     

    Agent Barton is doing a fine job :-)

     

    HH

  6. AULD TAM on 5TH OCTOBER 2016 6:23 PM

     

     

    BSR –

     

     

    If you are lurking, Marie appearing with Scottish Opera in Mozart’s “The Marriage of Figaro” at Edinburgh Festival Theatre next month.

     

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    Just Edinburgh? I’m attending Glasgow 22nd Oct..

  7. FAN-A-TIC on 5TH OCTOBER 2016 5:27 PM

     

     

    I don’t see any way he will be made an example of; Sevco would have to fight his corner if that happened so that would be a real difficulty for them.

     

     

    It will be a pretty “standard” ban I expect.

     

     

     

    FAC the Act

     

     

    KTF

  8. Just read Bertie’s article elsewhere on the site and I recall Mr Stein giving him a bollocking when he sat on the ball v and I am pretty sure I am right, Patrick Thistle, big man not happy. Personally it made me smile!!!

  9. Sorry as I rather slow yet again, but what’s happening with McCoist was betting and/or selling his shares ?

     

    Is he caught up in some scandal as I hate that bassa!

     

    All this cheeky chappie stuff never fooled me for one minute, and I’m not alone ?

     

    The media had himas their darlin , but he gave the game away when he tried his hand at management and hiring well known terrorist gardeners !

     

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Ferguson got Wobbly Warbis job, and Ferguson put in a good word for McCoist to the board at Clyde ?

     

    McCoist, whit a numpty !

  10. TET…

     

     

    Turbull Hutton did, sadly gone now, a man that stould up and expressed his angst towards the corruption within Scottish football to sort the Huns.

     

     

    We need more honest blokes like that to make it an even playing field for all.

  11. Funny how the SFA etc deem it sinful for a p!ayer to have a football bet etc, but yet say f.*”* all about a so called Scottish Institution and it’s staff hanging about with a terrorist flute band ?

  12. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    LMCbhoy, it was the last game the lions played together, against Clyde. We won 6 1. Ronnie Simson ran out with the team but was not fit enought to play. Evan Willams played in the game.

     

     

    Bertie sat on the ball and waved to the fans near the end of the ae.

  13. Dallas

     

    You are absolutely right. Memory a terrible thing.

     

    Couldn’t remember either it was Lions last game.

     

    Just remember Jock coming out and berating Bertie big time

     

    Thanks for the detail.

     

    Hail hail

  14. BIG JIMMY on 5TH OCTOBER 2016 6:51 PM

     

    Funny how the SFA etc deem it sinful for a p!ayer to have a football bet etc, but yet say f.*”* all about a so called Scottish Institution and it’s staff hanging about with a terrorist flute band ?

     

     

    Like beauty, bringing the game into disrepute, is all in the eye of the beholder.

  15. BIG JIMMY on 5TH OCTOBER 2016 6:34 PM

     

     

    When the ‘being duped’ line of defence raised its head, MSM conveniently forgot that for at least four years Murray had been desperately trying to offload THEM. To the right man of course.

     

    As I posted yesterday. MSM are always cute enough to avoid asking the pertinent questions.

  16. QUONNO, do we yet know what Whyte got for his pound? That is, who actually owns Ibrox park and Murray park. Still very murky there.

  17. RON BACARDI on 5TH OCTOBER 2016 7:22 PM

     

    QUONNO, do we yet know what Whyte got for his pound? That is, who actually owns Ibrox park and Murray park. Still very murky there.

     

     

    Looks like the jail possibly.

     

    Hopefully he will take others with him.

  18. Does anyone know of any Celtic pubs or supporters clubs near the Dungoyne/Kilearn area. May be in the area during the Semi final

  19. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    LMCBhoy, sorry for the late reply.

     

     

    I didn’t want to come over as a smarty pants but it was a game that’s etched in my memory.

     

     

    My dad didn’t need any encouragement to take me to that game as he loved the Lions . He took hs cine camera with him and managed to get some footage from the game. I think the cine film went mssing when my parents moved home.

  20. I always felt Willie Ormond was innocent.

     

     

    He persevered in selecting Kenny, when he was seen as underwhelming for Scotland, given his spectacular Celtic form, until the bluenosed fans of the national team had actually stopped calling for his head and his selection had become a non-issue. Ormond played Kenny when he had every right to consider dropping him based on his form.

     

     

    That makes it all the stranger that he was dropped- I think for the Wales match at Hampden in May 1976

     

    (I think), replaced by Willie Pettigrew, I believe, And yet he was brought back to play in the next two games 2 days later and 9 days after being dropped (against Norn Ireland and England). He was brought back even though we beat Wales 3:1 in his “dropped” game and there was justification, therefore, to keep him dropped.

     

     

    It was so blatant that there could be no other reason than that Ormond had been leaned on. If he had been biased and wanted to drop him, he missed many opportunities to do so without fuss. Ormond was clearly a fan of the player , even though form had not been great in the earlier parts of his 34 game run. But Scotland and Kenny were on a good run at the time- they had lost narrowly away to Denmark in Sept. 75, beat Denmark at Hampden in the October match with Kenny scoring, drew with Romania in Bucharest in December 75 and then beat Switzerland in April 76, all with KD starting. Then he was dropped in May for the first game of 3 Home Internationals.

     

     

    Willie Ormond returned to picking him regularly from that moment on and, frankly, Scotland fans attitude towards him mellowed once he moved to Liverpool the following year so it was not an issue then for Kenny to break the record he had been denied, albeit he broke it as a Liverpool player not as a Celt.

     

     

    Whether Ormond was a Mason or not, I find it hard to believe that this was his decision. It remains a shocking decision and one that brought a few of us up short as we had thought that time they were-a-changing.

     

     

    It seems not

  21. AULD TAM on 5TH OCTOBER 2016 4:33 PM

     

    Billybear –

     

     

     

    I too remember Kenny stopping to tie his lace before scoring from a penalty in a 2-0 victory at Ibrox.

     

     

     

    My best memory of King Kenny was an autumn day at Dens

     

    Park when he scored 3 in a 6-0 rout of Dundee. He was truly World Class that day.

     

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    If my memory serves me well it was in the 2nd half before we ran amok. Jinky scored 2 that day

     

     

    Hail Hail King Kenny

  22. An Teach Solais on

    Celtic Macc

     

    No, don’t think that he is moonlighting.

     

    Sorry, I listed the wrong hyperlink but the correction at 7.44pm should bring up the correct site. He sure has no time for David Murray and the costly police “investigation”. HH

  23. An Teach Solais on

    Celtic Mac.

     

    Canny even get your moniker right!! I better get some coffee to waken up.

     

    Some of the comments at the foot of the article also raise interesting points over the driving force behind the alleged fraud charges and institutional cover up. HH

  24. Given that at least three of their players have fallen foul of the gambling rules Surely sevco have a duty of care to advise all their players on the betting rules in scotland.

  25. AULD TAM on 5TH OCTOBER 2016 8:25 PM

     

     

    Natknow –

     

     

    They’re playing both Glasgow and Edinburgh.

     

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    Birthday treat for me – looking forward to it!

  26. Lmcbhoy dallasdallas

     

     

    I am sure roy froppie showed a pic of team coming out in that ‘last chance to see the lions,”game, out thro a building site as the stand was being built!

     

    HH

     

     

    Dallas Dallas spent most of 95 cupfinal night in heraghtys.

     

    Lol some night

     

    HH

  27. an teach solais

     

     

    Got it this time. Will be interesting if Murray is in fact put in the witness box. Should be in the dock of course. Lloyds Bank, in my view, has been totally negligent in its’ winding up of the various Murray Companies, in particular MIH. They should be investigated by the FCA but it seems hundreds of millions of pounds can disappear (including £109 mill RFC related) without so much as a by or leave. That’s entertainment.

  28. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    R I P Rod Temperton

     

     

    Not entirely my type of music,but some good memories near the end of an evening!

  29. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    CELTIC MAC

     

     

    Worse,it disappeared into the pockets of the bankrupt Murray. “Legalised” theft from the public purse,no stranger to that…

  30. Not forgetting Murray now has a large swathe of West Edinburgh around the airport and Heriot Watt Uni under the wing of Murray Estates, now how did he manage that?

  31. I doubt very much Dalglish being dropped to stop him overtaking a Rangers players record was the doing of Willie Ormond.